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Old 03-20-2006, 09:34 AM   #15
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Reace,

The only reason I would not consider an Escape is the size of the tanks (especially the 7.5 gallon black tank). For those of us who boondock, the Escape's tanks are just too small to be useful.

Please consider offering (perhaps as an option) larger tanks. My reason for choosing a Casita was the tank sizes: 25 gal. fresh (option), 25 gal. gray and 17 gal. black. We boondock almost exclusively and those tank sizes last about five days for the two of us. The Escape tanks would last less than two days.

I realize that many (maybe most) use the trailers only with hookups, but a large number of us boondock. By offering the option of larger tanks, you will increase your target market dramatically.

You might also consider offering direct sales to those of us in Baja Canada. It will take you years to build a dealer network in the States.
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:14 PM   #16
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:25 PM   #17
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Having looked at the picture, the first thing I noticed on my want list would be a tandem axle.
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:45 PM   #18
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...There is too much cost involved in moving the door so we have design around it...
Reace, should we consider any other "hard points" in the design, or should we just express our ideas of important features without constraint, and let you decide which ones could potentially be incorporated? It would be unfortunate if someone didn't ask, thinking their idea couldn't be implemented, when you might have been able to think of a way to do it.

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...I have seen the Scamp set up for the 2" coupler hitch although it does not fit the bill in the looks department.
The mockup image doesn't show the coupler at all - is the plan for a typical gooseneck setup, with a tube reaching straight down to a ball, or for a fifth-wheel pinbox? Either way, as boxes have become shorter the sides have also become higher, so the design should work (potentially with whatever suspension height and coupler adjustments that are allowed) with very high-sided designs such as the F-150 and the various 4WD trucks (at least at the factory-available heights).
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:51 PM   #19
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One more thought is a requirement to leave stuff out: a maximum weight. I would look at the available compact trucks and pick a weight target for a reasonably equipped trailer that could be accommodated without resorting to large engines, and offer a configuration that stays in that range. I assume that would be more than the Class 2 limit of 3500 pounds that allows conventional trailers to fit within the capabilities of typical minivans, but it still can't be 6000 lb, or common compact trucks would be excluded.

There may be benefit to offering a high-payload version with a higher capacity axle and (optionally) large tanks, and a light version with a lighter (in capacity and weight) axle and the existing tank sizes. I'm guessing that Morgan would go for the high-payload unit for endurance, and others would pick the light unit for their smaller trucks.
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Old 03-20-2006, 03:33 PM   #20
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The only reason I would not consider an Escape is the size of the tanks (especially the 7.5 gallon black tank). For those of us who boondock, the Escape's tanks are just too small to be useful.

I realize that many (maybe most) use the trailers only with hookups, but a large number of us boondock. By offering the option of larger tanks, you will increase your target market dramatically.
That's a very good point. My wife and I also boondock a lot. Or hit National Forest campgrounds with no hookups. We especially depend on the larger graywater tank.
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Old 03-20-2006, 06:05 PM   #21
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I was also concerned about the waste tank capacity on the Escape, in the end I decided to use a 22 gallon tote tank to off-load the tanks if required. The Escape waste tanks are 21.5 gallons total so if I dump them when 3//4 full, I expect the tote tank to weigh about 130 pounds, not a pleasant thing to haul, but doable.

Part of my justification was based on volumetrics. With a 10% added tare for the tank, an Escape requires about 21 cubic feet for waste water tanks, a Casita requires approximately 40 cubic feet. Since I hope to have a dump station relatively close to our camp sites, I decided the lower space requirement of the Escape was a reasonable accommodation for us.

There is no doubt that more waste storage is convenient when 'docking, I just thouhgt I'd provide my view.

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Old 03-20-2006, 08:48 PM   #22
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I have a 17' Casita, and love it. However, this is interesting. I looked at the Scamp 5th beore buying, thought the sleeping area was pretty tight - especially in height. A little claustrophobic here. Your roofline looks raised a bit which might fix this prob. How about a comfortable place - maybe a couch - at the rear. This is what my Casita lacks. Some comfort. Keep up the good work. In my opinion, I think a trailer like this has a market.
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Old 03-21-2006, 10:31 AM   #23
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Reace,

Thanks for asking our opinions. As you have noticed their is never a shortage of them on this site.

I would very much like to have an option with comfortable seating in my trailer. I find the dinettes very uncomfortable for anything other than a quick meal. I would love to be able to have a nice sofa or small recliners in the rear instead of the dinette. We eat on TV tables at home so why not in the trailer. In inclement weather or after a long day, I like to have a nice place to sit and read or watch TV.

One other suggestions is a way to "privatize" the sleeping area without interrupting the airflow. We seldom rise or retire at the same time and a little privacy or separation would be nice.

Last thought. Please add more windows and offer crank out (awning style). That is why we like our trillium 5500 better than scamp or casita.

Keep us posted. We are very interested in your plans.

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Old 03-21-2006, 11:30 AM   #24
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My #1 wish would be a big refrigerator!

My #1 wish USED to be more storage but we aleviated that problem. You can see our solution here.

Scamp 5th Wheel Renovations

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Old 03-21-2006, 11:31 AM   #25
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comfortable seperate seating for two adults with arm rests
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Old 03-21-2006, 01:52 PM   #26
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My #1 wish would be a big refrigerator!

My #1 wish USED to be more storage but we aleviated that problem. You can see our solution here.

Scamp 5th Wheel Renovations

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Fantastic Job Nancy. Really great ideas. Does the stepped storage allow you to step up into the bunk area using the drawers? Open or closed?

Ditto the seating request. Being stuck in the trailer for 3-4 days of heavy rain means a really sore backside. I like to read inside. That gets uncomfortable after 20 minutes with most of the stock cushions.
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Old 03-21-2006, 02:26 PM   #27
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Does the stepped storage allow you to step up into the bunk area using the drawers?
The closed drawers make steps into the bed area. Here is a photo of the drawer area as it was being built. You can see the steps more clearly in this photo than in the finished photo.

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Old 03-21-2006, 04:24 PM   #28
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OK. After looking at the Escape Layout B and Nancy's modifications, here's my two cents.

First not everyone who wants a 5th wheel is looking to sleep more people. My mods would increase living comfort, not sleeping capacity.

Get rid of the gaucho most 5th wheels have. I like the steps to the loft. The step area is storage. The step drawers should be sturdy enough to allow at least one of them to be secured open to serve as an additional seating area if needed.

Move the refrigerator to the sink side of the cabin. This opens up the other side of the cabin. Make the refrigerator top counter high so that it serves as extra counter space. Add a hinged counter extension on the side of the refrig area so that its possible that the counter extends halfway to the wall. A microwave could be added underneath the overhead cabinets here.

In the corner where the counter extension lives add an upholstered seating area with a good back rest and arms. Have a curved counter extension that comes from the back wall. When the back wall extension is dropped, this area can serve as a laptop/writing work area. This half extension can meet the other extension so that the option have having a counter from the back wall to the sink exists. This upholstered area could also be moved to where the wardrobe and refrigerator currently are if the owner wants to move them. This would lengthen the bed for those who need length, not width.

Add a second extra-wide upholstered seat under the back window. This one with removable arms plus backrest. It would be great if the counter extension that comes from the wall could be swung around so that the person sitting here can have an optional desk.

Use a scissor telescoping table for the dinette. This way the table can be used a bed support, moved outside the trailer or laid down flat to open floor space.

On the door side of the cabin have one long bench with storage underneath. The bench is on both sides of the door.

The upholstered seating areas and bench can be broken down into a double bed or an extra long narrow bed if desired.

Get rid of the wardrobe in favor of the wardrobes in the loft. More openess.

I like Nancy's loft plan.
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