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Old 05-03-2015, 09:58 AM   #15
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And they have occasionally burned very well in Teslas, one of the concerns mentioned in the comment section of the article I posted.
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Old 05-03-2015, 03:20 PM   #16
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A Honda 2000i genny is not $600 but a $1,000 today. )
Don't forget the daily operating costs of the gas needed to run it & the fact it needs scheduled maintenance of which some of us less handy types may need to pay someone to do.
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Old 05-04-2015, 06:41 AM   #17
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Well , I'm FLABORGASTED . I took my numbers from my hydro bill . and I double checked them ! I have a shop with flor lights , 220v welder ,and most all of the equip. you need to do mechanics & fabrication . I have a fridge (120v) ,micro-wave , all led lights , TV , Radio , water pump (I live in the country) and I use a 120v heater in the winter to spot heat my living room . As for heating , I have a propane furnace which used $250 worth of fuel per month this year .I don,t have a washer or dryer or an electric water heater (propane). I'm going to suggest that our smart meters REEEEALY help . My numbers are correct . HONEST
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Old 05-04-2015, 06:50 AM   #18
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I forgot to mention , I buy my LED's in Hong Kong . .89-1.00 each . shipping included . DO YOU THINK WE ARE BEING RIPPED OOF !!!!
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:52 AM   #19
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John, the fact that you don't seem to heat with electricity, other then one spot heater in the winter, is the key. Heat uses lots of electricity. We also heat mostly with gas, but our dryer is electric.
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Well , I'm FLABORGASTED . I took my numbers from my hydro bill . and I double checked them ! I have a shop with flor lights , 220v welder ,and most all of the equip. you need to do mechanics & fabrication . I have a fridge (120v) ,micro-wave , all led lights , TV , Radio , water pump (I live in the country) and I use a 120v heater in the winter to spot heat my living room . As for heating , I have a propane furnace which used $250 worth of fuel per month this year .I don,t have a washer or dryer or an electric water heater (propane). I'm going to suggest that our smart meters REEEEALY help . My numbers are correct . HONEST

Possible reasons for the differences.

How many people are living in the home? What is the square footage of the home? In 2010 the average Canadian home was 1950 sq feet. In the USA in 2009 it was 2169 sq. feet. The average Canadian family was 2.9 based on the last census. The more people in the house the more hot water that is used for showers & dishwasher which will run daily, as will the washer and dryer. Its also good bet you will find more electronics running in a home with 3 people living in it than you will with 1, its tough to get 3 people to agree on what to watch if you only have one TV ;-) As well there is the cost of heating an additional bedroom or two on a cold winters night.

The R value efficiency of your home will also impact power consumption. The "Average" household in NA is probable not built to the current efficiency Gold standard.

The fact you are using a propane furnace and water heater along with no washer and dryer and no mention of AC also account for your relatively low power consumption. You must be doing laundry someplace so there is a power consumption/cost taking place - that number needs to be added to "your" average monthly power consumption.

You are consuming power in using your propane furnace and water heater all be it not electrical power but gas generated power. So using an electrical bill only as a means to determine an average total monthly power usage would be a bit miss leading.

Its a hard to calculate what the the additional monthly fee for the propane you are using translates to in electrical power Kw you could buy with those same $'s, due to to Ontario having a scale for hydro costs based on time of day usage. Even if you where to use the peak time rate to try and come up with a number, which is when the average family that has members working or going to school is going to use the most power, you may find your propane $'s spent fall in line with the average numbers others have mentioned if they are running all electrical in their homes.
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Old 05-04-2015, 12:57 PM   #21
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When our daughter moved in with her boy friend, our gas and electric bills dropped significantly.
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[QUOTE=Carol H;519916]Possible reasons for the differences.

How many people are living in the home? What is the square footage of the home? In 2010 the average Canadian home was 1950 sq feet. In the USA in 2009 it was 2169 sq. feet. The average Canadian family was 2.9 based on the last census. The more people in the house the more hot water that is used for showers & dishwasher which will run daily, as will the washer and dryer. Its also good bet you will find more electronics running in a home with 3 people living in it than you will with 1, its tough to get 3 people to agree on what to watch if you only have one TV ;-) As well there is the cost of heating an additional bedroom or two on a cold winters night.

Good points Carol...

Definitely hard to compare people's usage. I was just thinking about our $75 monthly bill. When we're traveling we typically do laundry once a week using two washers and two dryers. On average it's $6 a week or $24 a month. It males me realize that the $75 isn't that bad.

As well this year I ran the kitchen in our Escapee park and Ginny did the kitchen laundry at least once a week for the kitchen.
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Ok Folks before I get another PM - YES I am well aware that the way to do a calculation from the gas usage to electrical usage for side by side comparison is far more complicated!

I was simple attempting to point out that one needs to look at ALL your power consumption regardless of the resources used to generate it or where you are consuming it.
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You have all missed the POINT !!! The Tesla battery would work for me , because I live minimaly . Most of you just couldn't do this . Generally people are SPOILED , and have no idea how to rain in their desires . You don't need a new car every 3years , you don't need a 3000 sq. ft. house . you don't need to do laundry every day , you don,t need A/C . Think about saving the planet and not about living in luxury .
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John,

I consider living in a 92 square foot Scamp 16 for 230 days a year living pretty minimally. We are entering our 15th years.

I don't do it to save the planet but to may be save myself. The planet will survive just fine as it has for a few billion years.

I often think human ego suggests that we're in charge of the earth, I'm afraid it's not so. Nature can create chaos in a day.
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Norm is correct the planet will continue, long after humans have probably vanished. However the quality of the earth we inhabit for the time humans (as we are now) is sort of up to us as a species.

We have all probably been at a campground at one time or another that was used too hard or not maintained well enough to balance the use it sustained. Or just had some campers that did not think on the consequence of their actions. Humans as a species have a global reach and impact.

The scope and purpose of solar and battery in camping is different than in household use. Camping the battery and solar is expected to run everything all the time. Or we do without or fire up a generator. Solar in a household that is on grid (hydro) serves to distribute collection (feed grid) or distribute collection and store a buffer to reduce demand on grid. Few households in residential communities run 100% off grid on alternative energy.

Tesla is simply leveraging their existing expertise to branch out to a new and potentially huge market. Beating both GM with the same general technology in the Chevy Volt, and possibly Ford with the C-Max hybrid or Prius or.... A little math says 100 homes could store 1 Mw of power. The down side of this 1 Mw of stored power would be? What? Expand that to 1/3 of houses or ~44.3 million x 10 Kwh and your talking some real juice and a very large market.

If the technology works and gets refined to improve with each generation Tesla just positioned themselves to be the leader in a market of 44.3 million potential installations. The early 10# mobile telephones in shoulder bags and 25# portable computers look nothing like our smart phones today but they certainly got the ball moving in that direction.
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In case one wanted to read the specifics of the cases of electric vehicle including Tesla that have been involved in fires related to the battery packs.

Plug-in electric vehicle fire incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems like an infrequent situation that involved collision or impact with something that busted the battery compartment. Think if you hit a trailer hitch at highway speeds something bad might happen. If it happens to your gas tank or fuel line any fire will be much worse.

I have a greater potential fire risk in the gas can for running the mower, or the assorted spray paints, solvents, lubricants, and cleaning solutions in my garage. Generator is a gas can sitting on a hot running engine. Potential risk is always the combination of how bad it could get and how likely is it to happen. Good design and safe operation reduce the risk. However the safety gas can with the kid proof latch can go suck a lemon. Only safer if one has 3 hands to safely manage pouring the can.

BTW - for what it is worth my newer car is 10 years old, I worked to help pass the legislation that provides the clean water and lack of acid rain we currently enjoy. I don't know how minimally "most of you" can live but then neither does anyone else. I do know I can live for a fair amount of time out of a rucksack with a tarp. I also know that those members who saw combat in the infantry probably got the minimal living thing covered better than most.

My guess is what you wanted to say was that Tesla solution works for you because you depend less on electricity than many do or the average household does.
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Thank you Carol for your post. I too had written one but put it on hold for fear of being kicked off the board or at least put on moderation..


My creds are somewhat less but; I drove my last new vehicle for ten years and sold it to buy another 10 y.o. vehicle, I served on the very first Yosemite Master Plan committee in the 70's and, just for good measure, was happy to have the opportunity to serve my country, as have my forefathers in Korea, WW-II, WW-I, the Civil War (both sides) the war of 1812, and The Revolutionary War, all so we can have and enjoy what we have today.
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