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Old 02-22-2008, 01:24 PM   #15
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In a twisted way, I like to think of rising gas prices as a good thing, i.e. as the only way to really promote renewable/cleaner energy sources, smarter transportation, and, of course... eggs to replace all those big RVs!
Actually, that is one of the prime motivators -- The railroad companies didn't stop clearcutting the landscape for railroad ties until trees became scarce enough to drive the price up and they had to start using treated lumber so the ties would last longer (Unintended Consequence -- Creosote plant sites are on SuperFund Cleanup Site lists...). The Industrial Revolution in Europe was reportedly started by the rising cost of labor due to some many dying from Black Plague (Hmm, plenty of pollution there). Electric cars are going to save fuel but maybe create piles of old batteries. We live in interesting times.
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Old 02-22-2008, 02:27 PM   #16
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Gas at the Co-op here is 1.064 at pump, plus you get about another 7 cents or so back per litre in a yearly rebate........but the temps here for the last couple weeks were brrrrrrrrrr until today.....My fuel mileage in my pick-up truck is about 15 mpg ,(cdn imp), general driving.....we probably have the lowest gas prices in Canada......Benny
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Old 02-22-2008, 07:17 PM   #17
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today the gas went up 7 cents.. got gas this morning for the Toyota and pickup @ $3.18 a gallon... tonite it was $3.28..... sooooo i guess i will have to sock $$ into savings when I go camping.... I stay close to home anyways.. but the gas takes alot of out my pocket.. I think pulling the trailer i get around 15 mph.... I know when I get to grayland.. i use about 1/2 tank.. put more in before i head home ( its alot higher at the coast) so I am looking at least or close to $50 just to go.
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:00 PM   #18
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I was planning a trip to Alaska as soon as school is out but I think that it is now on hold. I figured that fuel was going to cost about $2500.00 for the trip at present prices. I don't know if I can afford anymore and have a good time.
The enviromentalists and libs have been saying that we need to be paying $5.00 a gallon for gas for years. I guess their wish is coming true.
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Old 02-23-2008, 10:04 AM   #19
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Yeah, the ultra Lib's I know always refer to Europe and England when they start saying we should pay more since those folks pay so much. I tell them there is a big difference. Europeans can drive through 5 or 6 countries on a tank of gas. And, according to my neighbor who is English, half their high priced gas is tax, where as our high prices are going straight to the Oil Companies. Then I ask them if they have stock in the Oil Companies or what!!!!

John, go ahead and bite the bullet...go to Alaska. Gas isn't going to come down measurably anytime soon. What goes up never seems to really come down, in this Country. 2 years ago my Alaska trip cost me about $2,500 from Sonora and back, 9635 miles. Gas was $3.45 when I left home and was any where from $2.99 to $3.25 in Alaska. The highest I paid was near $5 US per US gallon in Northern BC, twice.

What's the highest and lowest you are willing to pay. If the difference is .50 it'll either cost or save you about $350. If it's $1 difference then it'll either cost or save you about $700. There's is roughly 99 days until June 1st. That means if you saved $7 each of those days you'd have your $700 extra for the trip.
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Old 02-23-2008, 11:42 AM   #20
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I just received a March issue of Trailer Life. There is an interesting comparison of the recent RV shows from Louisville KY and Düsseldorf Germany. There is also good editorial intro by Kristopher Bunker – “Two sides to every story.” High cost of fuel is becoming a common denominator to drive RV technologies on both sides of the pond.

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Old 02-23-2008, 04:39 PM   #21
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. . . Electric cars are going to save fuel but maybe create piles of old batteries . . .
Not really. The plastic shells of the batteries generally wind up in landfills, but recycling of the metals inside is one of the biggest recycling & toxic waste management success stories. Better than 98% of all car batteries are recycled, compared to something in the 60% range for aluminum cans, and the recycling rate for hybrid and electric cars where the batteries will almost always be replaced at a dealer or other facility that routinely recycles is expected to be even higher. We create more toxic waste disposing of batteries for our flashlights and electronics than we do our automobiles.
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:13 PM   #22
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I was planning a trip to Alaska as soon as school is out but I think that it is now on hold. I figured that fuel was going to cost about $2500.00 for the trip at present prices. I don't know if I can afford anymore and have a good time.
The enviromentalists and libs have been saying that we need to be paying $5.00 a gallon for gas for years. I guess their wish is coming true.
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I firmly beleive gas prices will continue to climb----If you want to go to Alaska, go now while you can.
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I firmly beleive gas prices will continue to climb----If you want to go to Alaska, go now while you can.
Thanks for the advice Chester and Joy. I am considering it.
I would like to make a comment on what, in my opinion, is the falacy of the electric car.
You are moving the emissions from the tail pipe to a, possibly, coal fired generating plant in the desert somewhere. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me from an emissions standpoint or an efficient use of the generated electricity.
If the electricity came from a Nuclear generating plant the had no emissions then I could see the use of an inefficient electric vehicle that produced no tail pipe emissions. Of course if we end up with to many electric vehicles then we need to be concerned about the explosive gases released from the batteries during the charging process.
It is unfortunate that some in this country are not as advanced in their thinking as the French who receive app. 70% of their electricity from Nuclear generating plants.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">Bad press opinions have long life here. Nuclear Power Plants or Diesels Cars are good examples. Friend of mine used to work for Bechtel Corp. and was involved in designing one of the nuclear power plants in France. I remember his negative comments about French engineers requiring five levels of safety loops (expensive). Chernobyl had two safety loops and due to two human mistakes the meltdown tragedy happened. Lack of acceptability of nuclear energy generation in US is purely political, France is a good example that it can be done successfully. </span>

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