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Old 02-23-2017, 11:56 AM   #43
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You are correct. The Oliver's construction leaves an air gap between the outer shell and inner shell. This will have a dramatic effect on condensation caused by the warm air coming into contact with a cooler wall. You do still have to leave a window cracked and fan on to account for your breath, but the double-walled construction will definitely help.
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Old 02-23-2017, 03:01 PM   #44
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All travel trailers come with 4-season climate control underneath!
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Old 02-23-2017, 04:16 PM   #45
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The true 4-season package is really only for those who do serious winter camping, or have the money to splurge. I mean, if you can afford it, why not have the extras?

But most of us don't camp in the kind of weather that requires it. We just do "shoulder season" camping. We get an earlier start in the spring, and a later season into the fall. This means some cold nights, and possibly getting socked in by a blizzard here and there.

My Bigfoot, while still a Bigfoot and built for cold weather, doesn't have the 4-season package. I used it last fall when we had a stretch of weather with lows in the teens every night and highs around 40 F for about a week. Temps were in the 20's by dinnertime every night.

I was really nice and cozy in the Bigfoot. It was actually pretty fun. But condensation, yes. Especially if you're cooking, and breathing, it's going to be there. So while my camper can absolutely handle it, I wouldn't put it through that for long stretches, or there would be water related damage like mold, wallpaper bubbling, water stains etc.

But if you let the heater run all night (something I had never done until that long stretch of cold), and keep the bathroom door slightly open, along with the cabinet door under the kitchen sink, you won't have frozen pipes, even without the winter package. The only things that worried me, were that with my trailer layout, there are two places where freshwater hoses run inside the shell, but outside of the camper interior, so no heat. They run through the outer storage compartment, at the back of the trailer by the bathroom, and through the back of the fridge compartment. Those hoses get heated by the fridge coils, but once it's in the teens and twenties outside, I'm not using the fridge, unless I want all my food frozen...But neither of those lines froze during the cold snap.

Other than that, just the black tank, which isn't going to freeze unless the temps don't get back up above freezing during the day. If that was the case, you'd still be fine so long as you didn't use the toilet.

But with lows in the teens and highs back up above freezing, a 4-season package is a bonus, but definitely not necessary. Most of us aren't camping if the weather gets colder than that.

While the Oliver is clearly a great camper, aesthetically I like the Escape better. But it's not all about looks, I guess... I will say that the Escape 5.0 really stands out to me, because it looks so much like a Toyota Sunrader (minus the cab-over windows), which is my favorite RV of all time. So I'm biased.
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:06 PM   #46
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The 4 season trailer can be a worry saver anytime of year. This past summer we camped across from the glacier in the Canadian Ice Fields mid June and it snowed and had ice all over our truck overnight. Sitting in my Oliver, I did not think twice about my situation. We had a Casita prior and loved our travels there as well, you just work with what you have and can have a great camping experience . One of the main differences I can say between them is the complete fiberglass interior of the Oliver no wood to warp, wear, splinter which is one of the thing I liked about the Casita but as we all say that is my opinion and we all have one .......So enjoy the one your with.
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:05 PM   #47
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Think every current trailer builder uses PEX tubing for liquids; it's very resistant to freeze damage compared to the old gray Quest type tubing. PEX can stand up to freezing and expands a bit; if it does fail under the trailer it would most likely be at one of the crimp ring fittings when things thaw out.
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Old 02-24-2017, 08:42 AM   #48
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Yeah I think when people buy a trailer and later find out it has damage to the water pump or lines from freezing, it was probably from not winterizing the system when it was put away for the winter. Had I not flushed my lines this winter...yikes. We had about a month where the temps just hovered between -10 to +10. That kind of prolonged cold, in a trailer with no heat running and water still in the lines, is what messes things up.
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Old 02-24-2017, 11:09 AM   #49
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To me , it's all about how much you are willing / can afford to spend to accomplish your goal. If your goal is to travel or camp and enjoy the great outdoors at a reasonable cost then a Scamp, Casita ,Parkliner , Etc will be more than satisfactory . If your goal is to travel or camp in luxury then an Escape or Oliver may be a better choice. None of the FG trailers are a poor choice IMHO
If I was going to drop $50K or $60K on a travel trailer no matter how high the quality , it would have to be in almost constant use to justify the cost . If I was still working and only used my trailer for short limited time each year than an Escape or Oliver would not be my first choice.
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Old 02-24-2017, 11:24 AM   #50
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If I was still working and only used my trailer for short limited time each year than an Escape or Oliver would not be my first choice.
I can see your point there, but in our case we are still about 8 years from retirement, so all of our trips for the next 8 years will be of mostly limited duration. But we also wanted this purchase to be our retirement camper because we don't want to have to buy something newer and/or bigger when that time comes. So we chose to go ahead and get what we wanted now, even though you are correct, a scamp or casita, etc would have been just fine until then.
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Old 02-24-2017, 11:45 AM   #51
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I can see your point there, but in our case we are still about 8 years from retirement, so all of our trips for the next 8 years will be of mostly limited duration. But we also wanted this purchase to be our retirement camper because we don't want to have to buy something newer and/or bigger when that time comes. So we chose to go ahead and get what we wanted now, even though you are correct, a scamp or casita, etc would have been just fine until then.
I was not trying to be critical of anyone's choice in FG trailers.
My wife and I are in our late 60's and have health issues .
We have considered buying an Escape 21 but one major holdup for us is how much traveling we we will be able to do in the foreseeable future. We have several friends who bought new , larger travel trailers at our age and due to life changes , their trailers just sit in a storage lot gathering dust. We may just continue traveling with our Casita . I realize that life offers no guarantees but to us a trailer is a luxury and I have a hard time with spending our money on a non essential luxury especially if it is going to just sit in our backyard.
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Old 02-24-2017, 12:23 PM   #52
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I had a friend share with me a series of "thoughts" about getting older. It's titled "Between 65 and Death." Here's the first of twenty-one:

1. It’s time to use the money you saved up. Use it and enjoy it. Don’t just keep it for those who may have no notion of the sacrifices you made to get it. Remember there is nothing more dangerous than a son or daughter-in-law with big ideas for your hard-earned capital. Warning: This is also a bad time for investments, even if it seems wonderful or fool-proof. They only bring problems and worries. This is a time for you to enjoy some peace and quiet.

Food for thought...
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I like that thought. We have every intention of dying either broke, or as close to it as possible.
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I had a friend share with me a series of "thoughts" about getting older. It's titled "Between 65 and Death." Here's the first of twenty-one:

1. Itís time to use the money you saved up. Use it and enjoy it. Donít just keep it for those who may have no notion of the sacrifices you made to get it. Remember there is nothing more dangerous than a son or daughter-in-law with big ideas for your hard-earned capital. Warning: This is also a bad time for investments, even if it seems wonderful or fool-proof. They only bring problems and worries. This is a time for you to enjoy some peace and quiet.

Food for thought...
My Mom was a widow for 30 years My mother in law was a widow for 25 years. My concern is not saving my money so my children get a nice inheritance. My concern is to insure that my wife is taken care of after I am gone . This may be a chauvinistic approach to life. but so be it. After 46 years of marriage I feel an obligation to my wife. A trailer will offer her no security and won't pay her bills.
To spend money on luxuries just because you can has no appeal to me but YMMV.
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A travel trailer, or anything not needed to live, is a luxury. That could include buying a new car every few years because you can.

My neighbor retired 2-1/2 years ago. Just after Thanksgiving his wife found him laying on the floor at the bottom of the stairs. He had a major stroke and she doesn't know how long he laid there because he was an early morning riser and she woke up late. For all intents and purposes he's brain-dead although he's awake and breathing on his own. He can't talk, feed himself, walk, or any other daily living habit. His wife is paying $10,000 a month for him to be in 24/7 care. If she's able to bring him home, she will... it will still cost $6,000 a month because she'll need help at least 8 hours a day. I don't know how anyone that can prepare for this...she's told me, she'll probably sell the house to provide for Doug's care. She'll move in with one of their kids. Just wow...
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Tomorrow is not guaranteed, as your poor friend's situation attests to, Donna. It is very sad, and having a brother who was a victim of violence, and has been brain injured and paralyzed over 20 years now, it certainly alters what one's plans might have been for the future. Because of love and commitment, all luxuries one could have possibly dreamed of go away. In my case, I live lean, and am cautious with spending because it's so hard to come by. I help my family with any extra I have, which to me, is my true luxury.

My little cracked egg is a treasure to me, yet in the annals of time, it will turn to dust, too. So I luxuriate in the people who God sent to be part of my journey.

I'm so sorry for your friend Donna. My family knows the anguish.
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