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Old 10-05-2018, 02:05 PM   #1
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Opinions on towing with a turbo

I'm thinking of getting Frontier 6cyl (260HP) (possibly the long bed crew cab) from the coming scamp 19.


I see Ford has the 4cyl Ranger coming soon which has more (270) HP.


Thoughts on towing with the 4cyl turbo assuming I can get the hitch mounted in the truck bed?
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Old 10-05-2018, 02:33 PM   #2
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I have towed for the last 9 years with the v-6 ecoboost turbo. I don't consider a turbo to be a problem. The non turbo v-6 has about 260 HP and I've heard its adequate. I also have a friend who's towed a 19 with the old normally aspirated Ranger for years. I have sedan so it won't work with the 19, but from a horsepower perspective 260-270 hp seems adequate.
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Old 10-05-2018, 03:40 PM   #3
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IMHO, low to cruise RPM torque is more important than peak high RPM horsepower when towing. my 2002 ford 7.3 diesel only has like 250HP which isn't much from a 7.3L V8, however it has 505 ft-lbs at like 1600 rpm, which is about where it sits when it is going down the road at 55-60 in top gear.
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Old 10-05-2018, 05:03 PM   #4
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The tow rating on the new Ranger will have a tow rating of more than twice the weight of your Scamp19.

The HP on the 2.3 Ecoboost is not yet official but I see unofficial leaked numbers as low as 270HP and 310FP of torque. Certainly more than adequate for the 7500 pound tow rating now predicted.

The same motor in the Mustang makes 310HP with 350FP of torque. If the numbers above for the Ranger are correct then it is tuned for reliability for truck work.
The torque is at or about 3000RPM.

I know I'm hoping that they will quit goofing around and start making them.


This is not simply a Turbo... It is Ecoboost with direct injection, twin scroll turbo and the most advanced fuel management system ever devised.
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Old 10-06-2018, 12:30 AM   #5
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Wink to turbo or not?

FWIW we picked a 2wd Frontier double cab, long bed V6 last winter to tow our new Casita Liberty...aprox 270 hp & non-turbo. No problemo hauling a full load of gear plus the TT for 6000+ miles so far. I guess I'm old fashioned, but I pefer displacement over turbos.
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Old 10-06-2018, 11:12 AM   #6
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I learned a lesson on going after market on hitch. I have a Ford Escape 4cyl. ecoboost. It was rated to tow 3500. That is if you have the factory installed tow package. Since I went after market the tow capacity dropped to 2000. Also, you are unable to add trans cooler after market hence the drop in tow capacity. Factory tow package comes with cooler. Newer engines and transmissions are more complicated than older. Wish I would have known before I perchased.
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I learned a lesson on going after market on hitch. I have a Ford Escape 4cyl. ecoboost. It was rated to tow 3500. That is if you have the factory installed tow package. Since I went after market the tow capacity dropped to 2000. Also, you are unable to add trans cooler after market hence the drop in tow capacity. Factory tow package comes with cooler. Newer engines and transmissions are more complicated than older. Wish I would have known before I perchased.
I think you have a lot less to be concerned about than you have been told.
Of course you could add a cooler if you choose if that is your only concern.
Heck, if there is one supplied with the factory tow package, don't forget, your Ford dealer has a parts department.
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I did try to have one installed and was told by a couple of mechanics that it was not possible. Also Ford. One other thing is it may void the warrenty of engine and transmission if they see you added a 7pin plug. Just saying what I was told.
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Old 10-06-2018, 02:23 PM   #9
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I learned a lesson on going after market on hitch. I have a Ford Escape 4cyl. ecoboost. It was rated to tow 3500. That is if you have the factory installed tow package. Since I went after market the tow capacity dropped to 2000. Also, you are unable to add trans cooler after market hence the drop in tow capacity. Factory tow package comes with cooler. Newer engines and transmissions are more complicated than older. Wish I would have known before I perchased.

There isn't a transmission made that you can't put a cooler on. GET AWAY from the GD dealer and find yourself a respectable little speed shop or a privately owned transmission shop.
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I did try to have one installed and was told by a couple of mechanics that it was not possible. Also Ford. One other thing is it may void the warrenty of engine and transmission if they see you added a 7pin plug. Just saying what I was told.
I have the full Ford tow package installed by me. The warranty is intact. The tow package did not include a transmission cooler and Ford warned against it. I did of course add an RV plug and a brake controller as well as a charge line for my trailer battery.
It is against federal law to void factory warranties due to aftermarket equipment unless it can be proven that the damage was directly caused by the change. The proper installation of a 7-plug can in no way be a direct cause of drivetrain damage.


You must have the 2.0LEcoboost. Do you have the 6spd?
You certainly won't harm that car towing a Scamp13.

Get the (7-plug)... brakes are important.
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Old 10-09-2018, 09:11 AM   #11
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I tow with a Lexus nx200t, which is a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder turbo engine rated for 235hp at 4800rpm and 258 ftlbs at 1650rpm. The car tows my 2013 front bunk scamp great, even up steep mountain passes. My average mpg so far on all of my trips has been 19-20mpg. The maximum mpg i have gotten without the camper is about 32mpg.
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Old 10-10-2018, 04:48 PM   #12
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I'm thinking of getting Frontier 6cyl (260HP) (possibly the long bed crew cab) from the coming scamp 19.


I see Ford has the 4cyl Ranger coming soon which has more (270) HP.


Thoughts on towing with the 4cyl turbo assuming I can get the hitch mounted in the truck bed?
Forget the Ford Ranger with a 4 banger and turbo as any 4 banger with, or without a turbo. Turbo's are expensive to work on and the power band can be somewhat erratic.

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Old 10-10-2018, 04:54 PM   #13
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Forget the Ford Ranger with a 4 banger and turbo as any 4 banger with, or without a turbo. Turbo's are expensive to work on and the power band can be somewhat erratic.

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I disagree, there are a few more parts to a turbo engine, but the new engines aren't like the old and are much more reliable. They have a smooth power delivery from as little as 1500 rpm and are very efficient for towing. Lag is almost eliminated with dual scroll turbos and cast in exhaust manifolds, especially under a towing load. Like it or not this is where engines are heading to mrrt efficiency and emmisions targets. 48v mild hybrid turbo like what dodge offers is my bet on the future.
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Forget the Ford Ranger with a 4 banger and turbo as any 4 banger with, or without a turbo. Turbo's are expensive to work on and the power band can be somewhat erratic.

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