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Old 04-29-2016, 08:16 PM   #57
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Some quick facts... USFS' annual budget for the past few years:
2011 $5.8 billion
2012 $5.5 billion
2013 $5.7 billion
2014 $6.2 billion
2015 $5.5 billion
This does not seem to show a clear pattern of 'declining funding.' Nor does $5.5B sound like chump change.

USFS manages 193 million acres. $5.5B is close to $29 per acre. That doesn't sound like much on a per-acre basis, but only a small percentage of acreage actually sees regular or frequent use by visitors. Many, many square miles of NForest and NGrassland contain no roads or trails and require little management under most circumstances.
Interesting statistics, but keep in mind that we are dealing with government bureaucrats. No matter how much money they have for projects, it's not enough. How many times have you heard a government official say "we don't have the manpower to do that''. If you work in the private sector, try that line on your management, and see how long you keep your job. I've seen it here locally where a government agency hires another worker then they HAD to hire another supervisor too, and the supervisor needed a vehicle to do his supervisin' from so they got another 4X4 pick up truck. Sometimes I feel like the government motto has become "it's your money and we want it now !"
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Old 04-29-2016, 09:58 PM   #58
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I, for one, would gladly pay more taxes to preserve our national parks. They are one of our country's finest assets! And, yes, I too have often contributed to collections of money at individual national parks to increase funding for them, but I never thought of naming the NPS a benefificiary in my will. Great idea!
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Old 04-30-2016, 10:44 AM   #59
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Some quick facts... USFS' annual budget for the past few years:
2011 $5.8 billion
2012 $5.5 billion
2013 $5.7 billion
2014 $6.2 billion
2015 $5.5 billion
This does not seem to show a clear pattern of 'declining funding.' Nor does $5.5B sound like chump change.

USFS manages 193 million acres. $5.5B is close to $29 per acre. That doesn't sound like much on a per-acre basis, but only a small percentage of acreage actually sees regular or frequent use by visitors. Many, many square miles of NForest and NGrassland contain no roads or trails and require little management under most circumstances.
Mike there are a few issues here, first the National Park Service does not fall under the USFS so those figures are meaningless for the NPS. The NPS is under the Department of Interior as is the BLM.

But taking the USFS into consideration your dates are far too near sited IMO and according to the math I'm looking at does indicate a budget reduction in general. I did a half year stint with the USFS back in the late 70's in the West Yellowstone region of the Gallatin NF. The amount of workers we had then to accomplish a litany of different task were significantly higher than today and we worked our butts off during that season too. The mythical notion of government slackers at least for that region that season is pure BS. Granted nowhere near as much logging is done and that in and of itself with reduce budget needs but certainly does not take into account all of the reduced budgetary concerns. I haven't seen a back country ranger in any of the NF for years but in the "old days" it wasn't uncommon to see them from time to time.

Back to the NPS and its budgets. You might want to peruse some of the articles below, keeping in mind that these articles are dealing with only the near sighted reduction in budget cuts, let alone what has happened over the last couple of decades.

I hope this will provide you and others a better understanding of the situation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nce-last-year/

Death by a Thousand Cuts: Report Shows Consequences of Defunding National Parks

7 ways budget cuts will hit national parks - CNN.com

https://www.npca.org/articles/579-pr...ional-parks-in

How Government Budget Cuts ("The Sequester") are Impacting National Parks
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Mike there are a few issues here, first the National Park Service does not fall under the USFS so those figures are meaningless for the NPS. The NPS is under the Department of Interior as is the BLM.

But taking the USFS into consideration your dates are far too near sited IMO and according to the math I'm looking at does indicate a budget reduction in general. I did a half year stint with the USFS back in the late 70's in the West Yellowstone region of the Gallatin NF. The amount of workers we had then to accomplish a litany of different task were significantly higher than today and we worked our butts off during that season too. The mythical notion of government slackers at least for that region that season is pure BS. Granted nowhere near as much logging is done and that in and of itself with reduce budget needs but certainly does not take into account all of the reduced budgetary concerns. I haven't seen a back country ranger in any of the NF for years but in the "old days" it wasn't uncommon to see them from time to time.

Back to the NPS and its budgets. You might want to peruse some of the articles below, keeping in mind that these articles are dealing with only the near sighted reduction in budget cuts, let alone what has happened over the last couple of decades.

I hope this will provide you and others a better understanding of the situation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nce-last-year/

Death by a Thousand Cuts: Report Shows Consequences of Defunding National Parks

7 ways budget cuts will hit national parks - CNN.com

https://www.npca.org/articles/579-pr...ional-parks-in

How Government Budget Cuts ("The Sequester") are Impacting National Parks
Fox News say that budget cuts are not the reason for the deterioration of our National Parks. The problem stems from too many people using the resource. If we all stayed home the problem would be solved.
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The current trend to make parks totally self sustaining by counting on user fees or volunteers to cover expenses is not working well. Many of the parks we have visited show obvious signs of deterioration from lack of maintenance. Many parks have little monitoring / supervision due to inadequate park staff. My state recently cut all general funds for the parks and cut the maintenance / improvement budget by 20%.. The States stated goal is that if the parks can't go it alone then the parks should be sold to private concerns.
I wonder what our National and State parks system would look like today if years ago the same sentiment prevailed.
We are short changing our children and grandchildren ! IMHO
From what I understand, all the user fees, etc, go back into the general budget. I bet our National Parks could be self sustaining if all the fees went back into the parks themselves.
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From what I understand, all the user fees, etc, go back into the general budget. I bet our National Parks could be self sustaining if all the fees went back into the parks themselves.
Numerous states have tried the self funding route using user fees as the sole funding method for their parks. From the studies I have seen /read non have been successful. . The only thing that it has accomplished is reduced park hours , reduce repairs and maintenance , reduced programs and park closings. Parks near major population centers may generate enough income to be self supporting but parks in rural area would suffer . This is in the same vein as the gas tax which does not generate enough revenue to maintain and build our roads .
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Fox News say that budget cuts are not the reason for the deterioration of our National Parks. The problem stems from too many people using the resource. If we all stayed home the problem would be solved.
I intend to contribute to the deterioration of (i.e., visit) several national parks this summer!
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I intend to contribute to the deterioration of (i.e., visit) several national parks this summer!
We have the same plans . We have never been to Glacier National Park and want to see it before the Glaciers melt.. If you believe the
Internet it's scheduled for the year 2020. Have fun on your trip.
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Fox News say that budget cuts are not the reason for the deterioration of our National Parks. The problem stems from too many people using the resource. If we all stayed home the problem would be solved.
Yes, that would be Fox News and their reasoningeyes
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