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Old 06-23-2017, 06:41 PM   #43
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We have a 17 casita but only camped in camp grounds with hook ups so I don't understand why the LS fenders are a problem do some of you get into that tight of a campsite or is it the narrow roads also does the rear entrance cause any problems picking a camp site
I don't think it has anything to do with the width of the campsite, but rather, aesthetics. Most fiberglass trailers have the wheels inboard. There are advantages however to the way Lil Snoozies do it - like having more interior space available because it's not taken up with wheel wells.

Hadn't thought about the rear door being an issue at a campsite, but I suppose it could be in some places. We've had back in campsites that were very shallow and required us to place the trailer as far back as possible in order to fit - sometimes with the rear of the trailer really close to trees or a fence. In such places, perhaps the door in the rear wouldn't be ideal.
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I don't think it has anything to do with the width of the campsite, but rather, aesthetics. Most fiberglass trailers have the wheels inboard. There are advantages however to the way Lil Snoozies do it - like having more interior space available because it's not taken up with wheel wells.
I'm not sure what others may have been thinking, but when I brought up the issue in post #14, I was thinking about towing, not aesthetics or campsites. A trailer with a wide track takes a little more care on a narrow road, when turning, when negotiating around curbs, when parking in a crowded lot, etc.. It's not likely a make-or-break issue but a difference to be considered. As you say, there are corresponding advantages, something I remember when I am wrestling my Scamp's wheels into tight fitting wells.
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We have a 17 casita but only camped in camp grounds with hook ups so I don't understand why the LS fenders are a problem do some of you get into that tight of a campsite or is it the narrow roads also does the rear entrance cause any problems picking a camp site
Yes, I have had sites where a rear door would have been a problem. Other sites, it would have been an advantage. The bigger issue to me is my large side awning. I like a door that opens to the area covered by the awning, which I use a lot. With pretty much any molded fiberglass trailer, space is at a huge premium. So having good usable space outside is very important. The optional side awning on a LS looks like a bag awning, I am not a fan of those. And it is relatively short, doesn't go the length of the rig due to the shape of the LS. And of course, its not where the door is. I would call this a tie.

As far as width, the narrower the rig, the easier it is to maintain lane position. Sure, even 8 foot wide is pretty narrow, but not as narrow as your Casita. The Casita and Escape are basically the same width of my truck (and narrower than the truck once my mirrors are extended). Its not a big issue. And you have the huge advantage of no loss of interior space from wheel wells. I give LS the advantage here.

Biggest issue to me is the lack of propane. We routinely camp without hook ups. And generators are not allowed in many places we camp. Its all about having the option. The more flexible the rig is as far as refrigeration and heat, the better. We were at a FG campout where the power went out in the campground. It was about 35F that night, so the propane furnace was wonderful. We stayed at a beautiful state park in WY on our last trip, no hookups. It was cold, so propane heat, stove, and refrigerator were a must. Advantage Casita and Escape.

If I was looking for a 17 foot trailer, I would consider the LS along with Escape and Casita. In the end, the dinette on one end, bed on the other layout of the Escape would be my favorite. The lack of a black tank and toilet would be a big negative for the LS. But we tend to take LONG trips. Our last trip was one month and 8,200 miles. If we were weekend campers, the LS would be fine. Weekend campers, tie; longer trips, advantage Casita and Escape.

Price? Advantage Casita, its the lowest price for a nicely equipped 17 foot trailer. Between the LS and the Escape, the Escape is a few dollars cheaper., I'll call those a tie.

Factory Access: Huge advantage LS for me, as I live in NC. Even Casita is a lot closer than Escape, so Escape is last in that regard. Yes, this is important consideration as you either have to go pick up the trailer, make it a trip and an adventure, or have it shipped, which is very expensive.
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Yes, I have had sites where a rear door would have been a problem. Other sites, it would have been an advantage. The bigger issue to me is my large side awning. I like a door that opens to the area covered by the awning, which I use a lot. With pretty much any molded fiberglass trailer, space is at a huge premium. So having good usable space outside is very important. The optional side awning on a LS looks like a bag awning, I am not a fan of those. And it is relatively short, doesn't go the length of the rig due to the shape of the LS. And of course, its not where the door is. I would call this a tie.

As far as width, the narrower the rig, the easier it is to maintain lane position. Sure, even 8 foot wide is pretty narrow, but not as narrow as your Casita. The Casita and Escape are basically the same width of my truck (and narrower than the truck once my mirrors are extended). Its not a big issue. And you have the huge advantage of no loss of interior space from wheel wells. I give LS the advantage here.

Biggest issue to me is the lack of propane. We routinely camp without hook ups. And generators are not allowed in many places we camp. Its all about having the option. The more flexible the rig is as far as refrigeration and heat, the better. We were at a FG campout where the power went out in the campground. It was about 35F that night, so the propane furnace was wonderful. We stayed at a beautiful state park in WY on our last trip, no hookups. It was cold, so propane heat, stove, and refrigerator were a must. Advantage Casita and Escape.

If I was looking for a 17 foot trailer, I would consider the LS along with Escape and Casita. In the end, the dinette on one end, bed on the other layout of the Escape would be my favorite. The lack of a black tank and toilet would be a big negative for the LS. But we tend to take LONG trips. If we were weekend campers, the LS would be fine. Weekend campers, tie; longer trips, advantage Casita and Escape.

Price? Advantage Casita, its the lowest price for a nicely equipped 17 foot trailer. Between the LS and the Escape, the Escape is a few dollars cheaper., I'll call those a tie.

Factory Access: Huge advantage LS for me, as I live in SC. Even Casita is a lot closer than Escape, so Escape is last in that regard. Yes, this is important consideration as you either have to go pick up the trailer, make it a trip and an adventure, or have it shipped, which is very expensive.


All very good points. We have been in a few campsites where the rear door layout made us use an extension cord to hook up. I have never had a problem backing in because of the tires being outboard. Most RV's are close to that width. The LS body is narrow enough to see down the sides with my standard mirrors. To us awnings are a problem. I won't have one on any trailer. We use a free standing canopy if we are at a site for more than a day. We rarely do weekend camping. Our trailer gets in 3500-7000 miles a year of long distance travel. We use CG,s with power most of the time. However we do boondock sometimes. That has not been a problem. I can see where it might be if we were boondocking weeks at a time with no possible generator use. The bottom line is different strokes for
different folks. The LS factory is backed up for months with orders so I imagine they are selling as many as they can make. We chose LS over the others because of the lack of rivets, minimum openings in the hull, no roof openings, no wood in the floor, more room inside and the queen bed that stays up. Nothing is perfect so we have done a lot of mods to make it ours.
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Old 06-24-2017, 11:36 AM   #48
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I am still at least a year or maybe two out before I make the purchase. So I have plenty of time to change my mind between the Casita and the Snoozy. For my needs to Snoozy will be fine, but it cost more. And as a friend of mine mentioned for $25,000, I can buy used Airstream, a smaller Airstream. Yes it would be nice, but that would defeat the purpose of going simple or simpler. So I'm posting here to get some feedback from snoozy owners.

I live less than an hour away from the Casita Factory and have been there many times. I will probably want to see a snoozy in person before I decide anyway.
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Thanks I didn't know that about quoting. I have a friend who has several aluminum trailers from the 50's and 60's . He said even the ones he pulled out of junk yards haven't leaked through the body panels. The Airstream is a good product. A little to pricey for me.
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Thanks I didn't know that about quoting.
Just make sure you keep the QUOTE in brackets at the beginning end of the quote. And, to be fair you should put SNIP in where you cut it.
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Lack of rivets is a big advantage: Escape, Big Foot, Oliver and Little Snoozy don't have rivets. Scamp and Casita both have them. If you are two years out, who knows, something better could come along!!
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The need to manually empty a cassette toilet is simply gross to me, and I would never own an RV that had one. If that's all I had, I would either use the public facilities or head off into the woods with a shovel.

But generally I like the design and the quality of the Lil Snoozy. I particularly like the sandwiched design of the hull fiberglass and the Red Oak interior cabinetry. I think they'd appeal to a much larger customer base if plumbed for a black tank, and perhaps adding propane and a cooktop.
That was the deciding factor for me between getting a Lil Snoozy and a Parkliner. I liked the layout of the Lil Snoozy a lot more than the Parkliner, but I couldn't deal with lugging a cassette and emptying it. I would much rather deal with a 'stinky slinky', which to me doesn't seem that bad, with the macerating toilet in the Parkliner. I could have lived without propane, but the cassette toilet was a no-go for me.
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I went with Lil Snoozy over the Parkliner because of several items. 1. All electric, altho I did consider a special order Parkliner 2. Dedicated bed in the Snoozy 3. More comfortable seating in the Snoozy. 4. Cassette toilet in the Snoozy 5. SPACE!! With Dh accompanying me, and the 3 (became 4 before pickup) cats, the open floor plan of the Snoozy, plus the huge storage under the queen bed, drove the final choice. I also opted for the additional window, our Snoozy let's us feel as one with Mother Nature.

We've boondocked a few times, mostly used campgrounds. Right now we're on the last 4-5 days of a month long vacation to the Canadian Maritimes. I love my Lil Snoozy!
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All good reasons and very similar to the reasons I liked the snoozy also. To borrow yours for emphasis...

1) One BIG open space, one big room. That's probably the main reason. And with the extra window across from the sofa, it will be even better.

2) All electric. Sounds good to me since I am not a chef and don't need propane for cooking .

3) Dedicated bed in the Snoozy. Still plenty of room in the main cabin.

4) More comfortable seating in the Snoozy. I wanted to delete the sofa to add a couple of recliners. But the water tank is under one half of the sofa. It may be possible to put a cabinet there or something and have one recliner but that would only be one seat. I'm single so it wouldn't bother me at all.

5) Cassette toilet in the Snoozy. I've never used one but I can get used to it. I like not having a black tank to dump.

6) The huge storage under the queen bed also.

I think those are my reasons probably in that order.
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Propane for cooking....it is nice to have redundancy when there is a power outage. But that is easily solved with a small one burner portable cook-top that can be powered with a small disposable gas cylinder be it butane or propane. It is also handy to have for cooking outside right at the picnic table so you can keep an eye on the meal and be outdoors. You will see a lot of comments where people prefer to cook outside in order to keep the odors inside that small confined space under control. The vent hoods over the stoves in trailers are not very powerful as they are meant to run on 12volts.
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