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Old 01-29-2015, 02:45 PM   #29
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Ralph,

Welcome to the forum!

I know that the top-mounted AC unit does hang down a
a few inches from the ceiling and might sometimes be a
head-knocker for a tall guy. I think that would be true for
many FGRVs. Probably not a deal breaker, but just an FYI
....

For interior pix of a Scamp13 with the 54" bed you could
look in the following threads:

For pictures of the inside of our Scamp 13, look at the following thread:
Scamp Full Size Bed = Smaller Table Size
Scamp Full Size Bed = Smaller Table Size

For pictures of a newer similar Scamp 13, look at the following thread:
Mission Accomplished - Scamp is Home!

Mission Accomplished - Scamp is Home!

For general discussions with a similar FGRV searcher, you might take a
at the following thread:
Matt and Family
Matt and Family

Good luck with your search!

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Old 01-29-2015, 02:58 PM   #30
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I am not sure about the little window over the cook stove area... how practical is that?
It is handy to leave open for ventilation in cold weather at night (away from the beds so no one gets a draft), in the rain, or in storage. But if I were ordering new I'd be inclined to leave it off. I'm not sure its functionality really justifies a hole in the shell, especially now that Scamp has gone back to crank-out jalousie-type windows in the dinette area again. We do almost all of our cooking outside, anyway.
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Old 01-29-2015, 03:57 PM   #31
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I have a Scamp 13' with bathroom (love the bathroom) and the 45" bed and do NOT like it. What my preference would be is to have the narrower counter but leave me the larger closet. 54" on one end and the 45" on the other. I took out our stove and use a single electric unit. I dont have a furnace so the bottom cabinets would be fine. I'm 5'6 and the wife 5'. We're not "big" people and I would not purchase the 45" bed again.

Here's the clincher RalphieBoy....the bed is not even actually 45"!! It's a little less than 44" and click on my Flickr link to see it. It widens out a bit past the counter but I need the SHOULDER room. There's some other photos on the Flickr site about my Scamp if you have time to peruse them.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50351683@N08/14505933194/

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Thanks Jon for your input...
Yes indeed, everything is optional! The base price for a 13ft. Scamp is $9,295 without the shower and toilet... and $11,495 with the front shower and toilet. Yes the options do sound fair in price, but there are tons of options or add ons! Right now I am looking for NEW... I am not very good at "used" in other words... I hate to take a chance with buying a good deal and finding out it is not such a good deal!
I am looking into the larger bed option... since we may not get the shower toilet combination... the couch may be a good idea as a back up if we cannot sleep within the 45 inches of the standard bed. I think I would not like loosing the 10 inches or so of counter space and storage space along with floor space. (just not sure on that one yet)
Thanks again for your much needed and appreciated input!
Ralph
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Old 01-29-2015, 05:05 PM   #32
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I have a Scamp 13' with bathroom (love the bathroom) and the 45" bed and do NOT like it. What my preference would be is to have the narrower counter but leave me the larger closet. 54" on one end and the 45" on the other. I took out our stove and use a single electric unit. I dont have a furnace so the bottom cabinets would be fine. I'm 5'6 and the wife 5'. We're not "big" people and I would not purchase the 45" bed again.

Here's the clincher RalphieBoy....the bed is not even actually 45"!! It's a little less than 44" and click on my Flickr link to see it. It widens out a bit past the counter but I need the SHOULDER room. There's some other photos on the Flickr site about my Scamp if you have time to peruse them.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50351683@N08/14505933194/

Darral

I checked out some of your other scamp photos and really like the new deadbolt and latch ! Where'd you buy it from ?
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Old 01-29-2015, 05:11 PM   #33
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Here we go again.....trying to put a size 10 foot into a size 8 shoe.

STOP....first go out and find a Travel Trailer that fits you and your life style...look at all types...educate yourself....ask about weights...don't limit yourself...you will not be a happy camper if the unit you select is a giant compromise....
Second (after selecting what is right for you) go and trade in that jeep with such a low tow rating and poor Consumer's Report Rating for a vehicle that will do the job....something with a good rating and plenty of towing muscle.

You will then be an educated, safe and happy camper.
That theory may make them and educated and safe camper, but it may also strap them to the point where they won't be able to afford to enjoy going out and using the Trailer and tow vehicle they "want"

Understand that some (maybe most) peeps on this site can't just chuck their current TV, at maybe a huge loss, and go out and buy another vehicle with even larger payments. Maybe they have just paid off the Jeep and want to add a trailer. The O.P. was asking for suggestions about what they could tow with their existing vehicle. Just getting the "Right" vehicle for what they want isn't always practical or even possible.


With a 2000 lbs limit there is a wide variety of FGRV's to choose from, I hope they find one that will suit them well.
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Old 01-29-2015, 05:49 PM   #34
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Here we go again.....trying to put a size 10 foot into a size 8 shoe.

STOP....first go out and find a Travel Trailer that fits you and your life style...look at all types...educate yourself....ask about weights...don't limit yourself...you will not be a happy camper if the unit you select is a giant compromise....
Second (after selecting what is right for you) go and trade in that jeep with such a low tow rating and poor Consumer's Report Rating for a vehicle that will do the job....something with a good rating and plenty of towing muscle.

You will then be an educated, safe and happy camper.
Your input is noted...
I am not new to camping or trailering or RV'ing... I have educated myself over the years and continue to do so, hence this post!
I will not trade in my Jeep... it is my vehicle of choice. I am not going to buy a tow vehicle AND a trailer... I am looking into a camper that will suite the Jeep and the life style I now enjoy. If I can't find a suitable camper that will fit the JEEP tow limits... I will stay with renting RV's and tenting.
I have found that these campers are appealing and I am researching them for a possible way to go.
Thank you
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Old 01-29-2015, 05:52 PM   #35
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That theory may make them and educated and safe camper, but it may also strap them to the point where they won't be able to afford to enjoy going out and using the Trailer and tow vehicle they "want"

Understand that some (maybe most) peeps on this site can't just chuck their current TV, at maybe a huge loss, and go out and buy another vehicle with even larger payments. Maybe they have just paid off the Jeep and want to add a trailer. The O.P. was asking for suggestions about what they could tow with their existing vehicle. Just getting the "Right" vehicle for what they want isn't always practical or even possible.


With a 2000 lbs limit there is a wide variety of FGRV's to choose from, I hope they find one that will suit them well.
Thank you Bob!
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Old 01-29-2015, 06:38 PM   #36
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Ralph,

Welcome to the forum!

I know that the top-mounted AC unit does hang down a
a few inches from the ceiling and might sometimes be a
head-knocker for a tall guy. I think that would be true for
many FGRVs. Probably not a deal breaker, but just an FYI
....

For interior pix of a Scamp13 with the 54" bed you could
look in the following threads:

For pictures of the inside of our Scamp 13, look at the following thread:
Scamp Full Size Bed = Smaller Table Size
Scamp Full Size Bed = Smaller Table Size

For pictures of a newer similar Scamp 13, look at the following thread:
Mission Accomplished - Scamp is Home!

Mission Accomplished - Scamp is Home!

For general discussions with a similar FGRV searcher, you might take a
at the following thread:
Matt and Family
Matt and Family

Good luck with your search!

Ray
Ray... thanks a lot for your input and photos!!!!! This seems to be where I am heading towards. And I had not thought of the A/C hanging down either... although it would be understood once I hit my head on it! LOL
Enjoy your day...
Ralph & Peggy
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Old 01-29-2015, 11:19 PM   #37
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I checked out some of your other scamp photos and really like the new deadbolt and latch ! Where'd you buy it from ?
I ordered it off of Amazon. At the time, I found it delivered (about this time last year) for around $30!! But you wont find one that cheap now I dont think but it's worth every penny what ever you have to pay for it. It's the "FIC" brand and is sold under several names- one is AP. This is probably one of the most-used door latch/locks in all of the RV industry. Below is a link to Amazon and a lock identical to it. I made it more difficult because I didnt want the striker plate mounting method to be seen and it's not.

Amazon.com: AP Products 015-204310 Chrome Entrance Door Latch with Keys: Automotive
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:13 AM   #38
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Ralph,

Since our 2011 Honda CRV did an acceptable job of pulling our Scamp13,
I'm guessing that your Jeep may do OK too? Even though a Scamp13 can
be configured with fairly low weight, I would strongly consider adding
the electric brakes and always keeping in mind that you will be towing
at or near the top of your vehicles rated capacity.
As you've already seen, opinions do vary on this. 'Nuff sed!

I'm glad you enjoyed the photos and input. Everyone's camping wants,
needs, and constraints are different. I wouldn't begin to presume that
I might have the right answers for you and your family.

That said, if you are really thinking about a Scamp13, you might consider
the following:

There is a rumored Scamp price increase coming in March 2015.
(maybe a few hundred dollars?)

I'd try to actually look at a Scamp (and other brands?) in person.
(If you don't want to drive up to Backus (Mn) to the factory, Scamp
maintains a list of owners in various parts of the country that would
be willing to let you look inside their trailers. Even better would be to
attend one of the Fiberglass Rallys and see all kinds of trailers and
talk to bunches of owners.
I think that the next Rally will be in Sebring (Fl) Feb 9th to 14th ....
maybe take your own tent (or a CLAM 1660 with privacy/wind panels?)
to Florida for a long weekend?
Rally Map
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...Y.kH9EkyWon6YM

Scamp Camp - Sebring, Fl
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...amp-64627.html

If you're considering ordering a Scamp, I'd ask the salesman for
the "samples kit". Our Scamp salesman, Wayne, sent us one .. I've
heard that not all salesmen do that ... maybe without a specific request.
(The samples kit contains samples of cushion fabric in various colors,
curtain material, wall covering material, vinyl flooring, etc. We changed
our cushion color preference after seeing that kit.)

There are a bunch of relatively inexpensive and low weight options
that you might not want to skimp on .. extra lights (convert to LED
later), extra 110v outlets, at least one or more 12v outlets, the 3-spd
in+out Fantastic Fan (our 3spd fan does a great job and has helped
us skip the weight and aerodynamic drag of a top-mounted AC),
and perhaps an electric "demand" water pump. .... YMMV )

If you plan to continue your research, here are a few more threads
(with a sometimes dizzying array of opinions from good people) that
that might contain tidbits of applicable information:

13' Scamp Weight
13' Scamp Weight

Hi! I'm Mary
Hi! I'm Mary

Looking for a light camper for 4 in New England
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/n...treply&t=67926

Thanks for the great site!
Thanks for the great site!

Replaced Lamps with LED's
Replaced Lamps with LED's

Remember that the opinions that really matter are yours and your
family's and ....... as always, YMMV!

Once again ... Good luck on your search!

Ray
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:23 AM   #39
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Our back window opens, but not the front. I'm adding supports to the stone guard so it will double as a window awning, and adding a stone guard and supports to the back window as well. We have the little window by the stove and some nights everything helps, but sometimes it's best to run a fan with just one opposing window open to force the breeze to the best location. And some nights nothing will do except an AC; I'll be making a simple removable AC bracket for the rear window (but currently that is above our heads!). Our door window does not open, but I wish it did. I think we have the factory roof fan and it is worthless. Want to upgrade to a Fantastic Fan -- pricey, but maybe could then eliminate the "portable" AC altogether. Want to convert to solar for more boondocking and then the Fantastic will be a great choice. Our lap dog pushes 100lbs., and he thinks the only place he can sleep is pressed up against me! Great advice from Patrick. Also, I think the only way one can know what is needed for a camper can only completely be known by doing it. Camping is very individual and can vary greatly between people. Look around, ask questions, consider your camping style -- then don't be surprised to make a few changes. The main goal for me was to not lose my shirt with the buying and selling!
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The main goal for me was to not lose my shirt with the buying and selling!
I like that. There's the perfect trailer. Then there's the one I actually found and could afford.

I could have waited and saved my pennies to get the perfect trailer, but then I would have given up one or more seasons of precious and unrecoverable camping time with my children. I could have gone into debt to get the perfect trailer, but then I'd be mortgaging our next adventure- a family trip to Korea, where my wife was born.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:37 AM   #41
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Jon hit it on the head. There's no perfection in anything anyway!
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Old 01-30-2015, 12:16 PM   #42
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To start... I have an 09' Jeep JK two door automatic with factory tow package. full size camper... with shower and toilet etc etc. But... my vehicle of choice is limited to 2,000 pounds (total) and a tongue weight not to exceed 200 pounds. I do not intend to go over those recommendations.
new... I tend to shy away from used.
I am 6'2" and that makes it about 5 inches short for me.
These Fiberglass campers look terrific. There seems to be a fair amount of the FG campers that may just work with with my JEEP.
Right now I am favoring the 13 ft SCAMP...
I am talking to SCAMP... and researching a possible purchase of the 13 ft. So far they are pretty helpful in my inquiries.
A few questions...

Who of you opted for the shower and toilet? rather than the front couch?
( I am thinking of not ordering the shower toilet combo since it is used infrequently... and instead enjoy the roomier and more frequently used couch area.)
And finally... since a few folks are saying to me that I would not like or be able to put up with such a tiny camper... how are you folks doing with the space limitations????
Thank you all for spending the time to read this lengthy note... I look forward to seeing your input, opinions, and recommendations.
Enjoy your day...
Ralph & Peggy and Buddy Lee the wonder dog
The tongue weight has room depending on the ground height of your vehicle; we drive a car you will find Subaru used to say 8% and this is due to a cars lower center of gravity. We tow with a car it is 'wider and longer than some jeeps' and use 8% of 2200lbs, about 180lbs actual setup is about 175lbs and it pulls like a dream.
Yes we are over your limit but our trailer is over your size of 13ft, have seen 16' unit as low as 1600 lbs in a super ultra lights. unfortunately they also could be said to be expense new.
We us a wd system with swaybar as it is recommended with trailer by the manufacturer, electric trailer brakes not needed by weight but required by MTO due to the 50% rule and transaxle cooler. Would want the brakes personally for any load of 500lbs anyway.
Headroom is 6' 4" though, that is why fiberglass trailer may work for you. Fiberglass trailers very even for same size due to the construction in actual weight, scales are great for checking, real weight though.
From reading on this site believe you maybe onto a good choice with the type you are talking about.

Hope you find your dream cabin/cottage we have on our key tags 17' cottage
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