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Old 07-22-2006, 02:03 PM   #1
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Rising fuel costs are hurting everyone world wide.There is no way out of this situation.I beleive it will continue to climb.
I, myself use compact fuel efficient vehicles.No big Gas consumption units in our household.Truck for towing is GMC Sonoma rated at 4900lbs.
Two cars both Toyotos.A Toyoto Echo 1.3 litre motor.Daily commute vehicle.A Toyoto Matrx at 1.7 litre our family 4 door unit.
All vehicles have there use for us.

I dont beleive we are going to see good fuel prices ever again.No point in complaining.
I guess we best start looking at other countries and see what they tow with and how they manage.

The day of big tow units and fuel economics are coming to a end.
This is my thoughts for the day.
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Old 07-22-2006, 04:44 PM   #2
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Rising fuel costs are hurting everyone world wide.There is no way out of this situation.I beleive it will continue to climb.
I, myself use compact fuel efficient vehicles.No big Gas consumption units in our household.Truck for towing is GMC Sonoma rated at 4900lbs.
Two cars both Toyotos.A Toyoto Echo 1.3 litre motor.Daily commute vehicle.A Toyoto Matrx at 1.7 litre our family 4 door unit.
All vehicles have there use for us.

I dont beleive we are going to see good fuel prices ever again.No point in complaining.
I guess we best start looking at other countries and see what they tow with and how they manage.

The day of big tow units and fuel economics are coming to a end.
This is my thoughts for the day.
Enjoy and ponder these thoughts.
Chester - this is the reason we ordered a Scamp 13. Gas in Labrador and Newfy is $4-$5 a gallon. We currently travel with an S10 with a 2.2 liter engine and a Palomino pop-up pickup camper. Chevy no longer makes the S10 or Sonoma and we decided it was time for a change or else we wouldn't be able to afford the gas. It is a 1000 mile trip to our land
on the Great Northern Peninsula of Newfoundland, and we would like the convenience of unhooking our vehicle to go fishing,etc. I plan to trade away both the S10 and Palomino right after I go to Minnesota to get the Scamp, and will buy a small car to tow it with. We currently own a Chevy Aveo and I use a 2.2 L Sonoma in my work in the woods. I am going to try towing the Scamp with the Aveo for a short trip just to see if it works. If it does then I will trade the S10 for a toyota corolla. If not, I will pick up a 4Cyl Ranger short cab pickup. The ferry from Nova Scotia to Newfy charges extra for vehicles over 30', and we aren't rich.By the way, Newfy is a great place to camp. Except for Gros Morn National Park, you can camp anywhere free. We carry a battery with a 2'x4' solar panel and run everything on it including a 12v TV. Be careful of the moose and caribou, and the fishing is out of this world. I caught and released 1200 fish in 5 days of fishing last summer. Sea trout, brookies, and Atlantic salmon. Try not to drive at night as the moose are everywhere, especially around the National Park, and the scenery is incredible if you like mountains and the bluest ocean you will ever see. You will feel right at home in Canada with an egg, since they are very popular up there.
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Bob, be SURE to carefully research the tow capacity of the Ranger before you buy one -- In 1998 Owners Manual, there are something like 60!!! different combinations of Ranger truck equippages and the tow ratings vary from almost 6,000lbs all the way down to "Not recommended for towing", depending on body, engine, trans, differential ratio, etc.

Ches, a temporary savings in fuel costs can be obtained by moving into the Lower 48, preferably Georgia
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In San Diego, we sometimes seem to pay the highest retail prices in the lower 48. I joke about travelling to other states where it is cheaper to go camping than for me to commute to work.

The Odyssey gets decent mileage when towing a 16' trailer if I keep the speed down to 55 miles per hour. My commute is 3 miles one way to the office, and the Odyssey sits there all day. I rack up most of it's miles towing.

Robert, OTOH, may need to dart about frequently, and he drives a 1992 Geo Metro 3-cylinder 2-door hatchback. We're keeping that one for as long as the body holds together. The engine & transmission are still great, and it gets very good mileage. Just gotta remember to reattach the pieces that fall off occasionally.
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"Ches, a temporary savings in fuel costs can be obtained by moving into the Lower 48, preferably Georgia "


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Old 07-22-2006, 10:19 PM   #6
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I saw an electric car on the news today. It can go 250 miles on a charge, At a cost of 1 cent per mile. They cost $100,000. I will not be buying one, but it gave me some hope. They say they will be available at less cost...um...sometime. Is it too cynical to think they are waiting till they've sold all the oil? I just try to be happy with what we can do.
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Old 07-22-2006, 10:49 PM   #7
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We saw that too.

I smell another Physical Law Violation with that 1 cent per mile claim.
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Old 07-22-2006, 10:51 PM   #8
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I have begun riding my bicycle to and from work. It's great as long as it is warm out!

My wife drives a Honda Civic that gets a genuine 38mpg hiway during her 40 mile each way commute.

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Old 07-22-2006, 10:57 PM   #9
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Something that most people do not consider when talking about the price of gas is inflation. A long time ago, when I was a kid just starting to drive, gas was about 65 cent a gallon and minimum wage was $1.45. You could buy about 2.4 gallons of gas for one hour work at minimum wake. Here in Wisconsin, minimum wage is now $6.50 and gas is about $3.00/gallon. You can still buy 2.1 gallons of gas for 1 hour of minimum wage. We have been spoiled by low gas prices and now it hurts to fill up. People in the US have been very lucky (our Canadian friends will agree with that) and we don't like the economy of 2006.

I saw an news conference on TV about 2 months ago with a gas company spokesman pertaining to the gas price situtation. He stated that the record profits by the oil companies has nothing to do with the increase in gas prices paid at the pumps. The record profits are caused by cutting their overhead and good management. This guy thought that we were stupid enough to believe that drivel. Can you believe that he even said that.
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Something that most people do not consider when talking about the price of gas is inflation. A long time ago, when I was a kid just starting to drive, gas was about 65 cent a gallon

Well when gas went above 50 cents a gallon I thought it was way way too much. Lets go back to gas war days. The lowest I saw gas was 15 cents a gallon. In a couple places it went lower than that. Even at 25 cents a gallon 45 years ago, to 3.00 dollars today, that an increase of 1200%.
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Old 07-23-2006, 12:58 AM   #11
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I saw an news conference on TV about 2 months ago with a gas company spokesman pertaining to the gas price situtation. He stated that the record profits by the oil companies has nothing to do with the increase in gas prices paid at the pumps. The record profits are caused by cutting their overhead and good management. This guy thought that we were stupid enough to believe that drivel. Can you believe that he even said that.
That is a snow job, but only in part. Gas prices have been rising due to speculation on the price of a barrel of oil, not by any nefarious gas company manipulation. If you want to blame someone, blame the stock market...oops, you can't blame them, they're just doing their job. Ok, here's who's causing our woes... blame China, Indonesia, and other "third-worlds" for joining the modern age and needing more oil. It's basic supply and demand theory, more demand than supply makes prices rise. And we can blame ourselves for not allowing more domestic well drilling...Not in our backyards, or in our wilderness,or off our coasts.

What I DON'T like was what the gas company spokesman refered to as "good management". What they did was to creatively figure out how to make it so that the price of gas at the pump is directly joined at the hip to the price of oil still in the ground. It makes it so that when the market blips, the gas pump price shoots up that same day. That's where the Gas Company makes it's profits, on product made with cheaper oil that's now sold at higher prices. That Gas Company Spokesman was blowing smoke on that one.

Want to see gas prices fall? Here's my Utopian solution...don't buy any more gas. Don't drive, ...take a bus, ride a bike, take a train, walk. While it's not very practical, it's a cold turkey solution. Go sell the SUV, and the second car. Go buy a gas sipping matchbox car and start car-pooling. Also, get rid of the the boat, the 4-wheelers, and other gas toys. Use a push mower or buy a goat. The little Fiberglass trailer may have to be put up on blocks, but camping in the backyard can be an adventure too. Sorry, I know it's it's too cruel, but unless we start drilling more wells in our own backyards,or in all those places that Greenpeace doesn't want us to, the only other option is to cut demand.

I don't see how we can wean ourselves away from oil, our society has been mainlining it since World War I. Our civilization is now designed for the automobile. We all no longer live within walking distance of our jobs, there's no longer a corner grocery, there's no longer any sidewalks to keep you from walking in the street. Think about it, how many places do you work at, or shop at in your everyday life, can you walk to.

The Hybrid/Electric car is still not the solution, but it's close. It's still too expensive, and there's no infrastructure to support it(yet). It'll be ten years at best before the price-point on a Hybrid car is low enough to be competitive. When gas does hit the $5 mark, think seriously how hard it would be to live your life without an automobile. I know I won't be able to use my car when gas hits $5. With the exception of the Uber-Rich, I imagine we'll be all driving souped-up golf carts inside of ten years, and count on tele-commuting to become the norm for virtually all white-collar jobs.

OK, I'm off my soapbox.
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When I got married in 1964, gas was $.33/gal and Hamberger was $.33/pound.

Today, there is a Hamberger special in the newspaper for $2.99. Gas here is about the normal cost of Hamberger $3.35.

PS: When I got married, a loaf of bread was $.25.
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Anyone remember when DIRT was cheap?

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The only good news re high petroleum costs is that it makes more sense for investors to put money into alternative fuels. When gas is cheap, who needs windmills, or electric cars or tide-power, or figuring out how to tap into the earth's heat?

My hope is gas stays high enough just long enough to get some real alternatives. Then we can start using those old dinosaur bones for pharmaceuticals and other unique uses, and quit burning it all up!

In the mean time, I can't take a bus or the subway to work, but I can walk to the store and use a pusher mower: I live on a small lot in a small town.
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