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Old 12-20-2015, 10:26 AM   #29
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If you are basing "a good value" on the initial purchase price, I guess it could be construed as a good value. However, given the cost and time to correct problems, aggravation, and ruined trips that I was blessed with during the time I owned mine, I would contend that my Deluxe 19 was the worst value I could have gotten for my money.


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How about "a good value" being initial excellence, followed by 12 years of enjoyment with only normal maintenance, while still retaining more than 70% of it original purchase price.
While no product can be 100% flawless every time, my experience is much closer to reality than yours, that's why you can sell a 40YO Scamp for three times its original purchase price in less than 24 hours.

Let's compare our trailers after you have had yours for 12 years.(mine will then be 23YO)

What about if you base "a good value" on the initial purchase, minus the sale price? Or the number of HOURS it took to find a buyer for what you claim is the worst value you could have gotten.

A little perspective....
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Old 12-20-2015, 11:13 AM   #30
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Come on, can't we all just get along? It's FAR more than brand or brand loyalty. They are ALL good.

Quit worrying about what someone else has or wants and enjoy the one you're with.
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Old 12-20-2015, 11:42 AM   #31
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I agree Donna. Maybe, for a while anyway, Carl and Glenn should spend the bulk of their time over on the Escape forum (a great place, btw), reminding each other how lucky they are to own their particular memory makers. I REALLY am getting tired of this. Do the Oliver folks spend much time on the Escape forum touting the superiority of their memory makers? They certainly could do so if they chose. But why bother? As has been said a million times here: Love the one you're with. And PLEASE let me add: Allow others to do likewise.

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Old 12-20-2015, 11:55 AM   #32
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I have said nothing about Scamp quality. My comment was about Floyd instantly defending Scamp any time somebody posts a negative comment.
This is a site for all moulded fibreglass trailers, which is why there are comments from people who don't own a Scamp. And, in this thread, the negative posts were from people who did own a Scamp.
I can't see a rule that says nobody can ever make a negative comment about any trailer or idea. That would make the site pointless.
And, if you were referring to me, Glenn has two 'n's.
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I fixed the spelling of your name, Glenn. Sorry about that.

I constantly thank Floyd (in my heart) for his "defense" of our adorable little eggs. What can I say ...
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Old 12-20-2015, 12:26 PM   #34
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Hi All,

I am too much of a newbie to have an opinion on this. Plus, we have owned a 2005 Casita for a month that has not been out of the driveway yet (I do sit in it with a cup of coffee, though ), so what do I know?

I just wanted to say how much I enjoy Floyd's integration of You Tube music into his posts from time to time. LOVE it!!! I am a big music fan 70s to current.

Take care,

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Old 12-20-2015, 12:33 PM   #35
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I fixed the spelling of your name, Glenn. Sorry about that.

I constantly thank Floyd (in my heart) for his "defense" of our adorable little eggs. What can I say ...
BTW. The second 'n' is silent.
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Old 12-20-2015, 01:01 PM   #36
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We love our little Scamp!
Dissatisfaction comes from expectations not met. When buying a product brand new you expect that it has been QC'ed by the manufacturer, and it will be relatively trouble free. Departing on a hard earned vacation with a new travel trailer that is wrought with problems due to lack of craftsmanship or care would P'ss anyone off. These manufacturers can't afford to produce ultimate quality or they would price themselves out of the sweet spot where most customers are. They do need to develop QC checks to ensure that they do not neglect to complete their work properly. That builds public trust, good will and repeat customers.
In contrast, when buying a USED trailer you expect to have to deal with issues due to wear and tear, so you may not be so critical. I got a great deal of pleasure out of fixing many issues with our 10 year old Scamp before we took her out on the first camping trip. Most of the items were upgrades, not wear and tear. She is now 13 years old, and still has original functioning fridge, furnace, water heater, water pump, toilet, fantastic fan, and air conditioner. Axle and brakes were fine, but were replaced when I lifted the trailer to tow behind a lifted Jeep. Our converter was barely charging the battery, so was replaced with a four stage one.
We expect to see some of these items die as time goes on, and won't be blaming anyone for that eventuality.
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Had I stated that it would be appropriate to put a set of wheels and a coupler on a Porta Potti and slap a Scamp decal on it then maybe that could be considered unwarranted hyperbole.



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Actually, CPW, given that all of the fiberglass trailers are directly or indirectly descended (and Scamp is a first generation decendent) of the Boler whose design came to life from a septic tank, your analogy may be particularly apt!
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I agree Donna. Maybe, for a while anyway, Carl and Glenn should spend the bulk of their time over on the Escape forum (a great place, btw), reminding each other how lucky they are to own their particular memory makers. I REALLY am getting tired of this. Do the Oliver folks spend much time on the Escape forum touting the superiority of their memory makers? They certainly could do so if they chose. But why bother? As has been said a million times here: Love the one you're with. And PLEASE let me add: Allow others to do likewise.

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Did I miss the announcement that this had become a Scamp forum?

Why/how come? Seems to me there is a Scamp specific forum for the owners to hang out at already if they do not want to hear from those who happen to love a different brand of trailer.

I have always been under the impression that this forum welcomed owners of ALL brands of Fiberglass trailers. Thats a good thing as it allows people such as the original poster to ask the question he did ask and get feed back from others, even some who have actually owned both brands of trailers!

I totally agree with the "Love the one you're with" and even more so "Allow others to do likewise" EVEN when its something other than a Scamp
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I agree Donna. Maybe, for a while anyway, Carl and Glenn should spend the bulk of their time over on the Escape forum (a great place, btw), reminding each other how lucky they are to own their particular memory makers. I REALLY am getting tired of this. Do the Oliver folks spend much time on the Escape forum touting the superiority of their memory makers? They certainly could do so if they chose. But why bother? As has been said a million times here: Love the one you're with. And PLEASE let me add: Allow others to do likewise.

Sharon

Sharon, having owned a Scamp and now owning what I consider a superior FGRV and being a member of this forum I believe I am entitled to state my opinions on this forum, especially given the OP's original question. And if you don't agree with my opinions on Scamp quality I am sorry, but that does not give you the right to suggest I should spend my time on the Escape forum. No matter what the "defensive" Scamp faithful may say, it's not going to change the fact that I perceive Scamps as an inferior product to other FG trailers, and I do not believe I alone have this opinion.

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Actually, CPW, given that all of the fiberglass trailers are directly or indirectly descended (and Scamp is a first generation decendent) of the Boler whose design came to life from a septic tank, your analogy may be particularly apt!

Seriously, I was not attempting to make an analogy between a Scamp and a privy (the PC way to refer to a $#/+house). I was really only trying to let Floyd know that my dissatisfaction with my Scamp did not lead to hyperbolic posts (I have in no way exaggerated the problems/shoddy construction I perceived plagued my Scamp). Hey, if you love your Scamp, great. I absolutely hated mine.


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Seriously, I was not attempting to make an analogy between a Scamp and a privy (the PC way to refer to a $#/+house). I was really only trying to let Floyd know that my dissatisfaction with my Scamp did not lead to hyperbolic posts (I have in no way exaggerated the problems/shoddy construction I perceived plagued my Scamp). Hey, if you love your Scamp, great. I absolutely hated mine.


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Whoa, easy there big fella... no offense taken, and none meant. I thought your analogy particularly apt given that ALL molded fiberglass trailers owe their heritage to Ray Olecko who found inspiration for his 1968 invention of the Boler in a fiberglass septic tank he'd designed. If you follow the link I provided in my earlier post, it goes to the History of the Boler on Bolerama.com.

The history of Scamp is that they were originally contract builders for the American Boler Company, and when Boler went under, they began building Scamp trailers in the Boler molds which makes the Scamp a first-generation cousin of the original Boler design...

FWIW I have, in fact, owned five Scamps spread over many years and have found them, like most fiberglass RVs, to be of simple, reliable, and when something breaks or leaks, repairable construction. They're not necessarily superior nor are they inferior... they're just a good, solid product. But then so were the UHaul CT-13, the Trillium 4500, the Love Bug II, the Burro 17 I had. I have to put the two Bigfoot trailers I had in a separate class as they were a LOT more expensive and had features unavailable on most other trailers (at that time.)

So, I wasn't dissin' you, nor was I dissin' Scamp... I just thought your analogy about the rollin' porta-potty was amusing and in some ways, at least moderately accurate... given the lineage of the genre.
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I have always been under the impression that this forum welcomed owners of ALL brands of Fiberglass trailers. Thats a good thing as it allows people such as the original poster to ask the question he did ask and get feed back from from others, even some who have actually owned both brands of trailers!
I (briefly) thought that was the case here, but as one of those who has owned both I foolishly stuck my head up above the trenches and the fires were quickly lit under the stake. I'm going back to only offering my experiences to folks who PM me and ask -- angry folks hereabouts!!

I'll quiet slink back over to the Escape Forum where us heretics "belong" I recon.
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