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Old 08-01-2015, 02:46 AM   #15
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[QUOTE=ORshepherd;538865]So there are lots of us, eh? Seems like a niche someone should address! QUOTE]

That's a good one . The FGRV market is VERY much a niche one and we are addressing it here for you. Overall in the RV market, FG trailers have to be well below 1%, probably .001% from production numbers I've seen of RVs. When you've read posts here for a while of folks looking to buy one the comment most used is "I've never even been in one". Being there are no dealers for these you have to stop someone when you can or go to a rally to put an eyeball on them. We are all used to being asked to see them, goes with ownership. This info is just to kind of show you how small our little eggs populate the RV world. In closing, a few of us have given you our thoughts of your search. Being stubborn or optimistic in this case may be deadly, just sayin'. I'm going to leave it for others to add any other ideas for you, good luck to you.
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:46 AM   #16
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I meant a niche MARKET. I predict that there will be a surge of people looking for trailers they can tow with cars. The tiny house movement and the swell of baby boomers ...Just my feeling. Still may not be a huge market but....there is one. This "glamping" idea is one...
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I meant a niche MARKET. I predict that there will be a surge of people looking for trailers they can tow with cars. The tiny house movement and the swell of baby boomers ...Just my feeling. Still may not be a huge market but....there is one. This "glamping" idea is one...
I too have seen a growth of the tiny house movement. Don't think our eggs are in that group though as all of the "tiny houses" I've seen are built on 16' or bigger utility trailers and would have to be pulled with a large v/8 truck. I have a neighbor that just finished one at 18' and it has to weigh at least 5K#. Yup, it's tiny and nice but sure isn't lite .
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Old 08-01-2015, 06:44 AM   #18
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In the olden days, where I come from, SW MI, we called it a "toilet stool". I have heard that from a lot of other people also as we moved around to different places.

Also, on the T@B, do you have a definite hitch weight? I had looked them online and although I could not find a hitch weight on the one with wet bath, this article makes it look like that depending on options, your hitch weight might exceed your limit.

ALL manufacturers give a dry weight, without options unless otherwise stated. Some manufacturers weigh each trailer that they manufacture but that is rare. The trick there is that many have nearly every item as an option and the weight adds up very quickly. I noticed the amount of cargo was around 300 to 400 lbs on the T&B. Water weighs 8 lbs. per gallon, propane is 4.2 lbs and it all adds up pretty quick. ***Note: This info appears to be on before they sold to Little Guy. I would stay away from the used ones made by Dutchmen as I know they were having a lot of problems. I do not know how much different they are since sold.

I did finally find the brochure and it said tongue weight was 155 to 165 dry weight You probably have this but note the info about dry weight and options: http://tab-rv.com/downloads/TAB-Brochure-2015.pdf

I think that here, you get the pros and cons while on some other forums, they sing the glory very loudly and you don't really get the whole scoop.
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T@B should get some credit for truth in advertising, but they went out of their way to hide what they were saying. For example:


Described as having a "Lite Footprint"... what the heck does that mean?


Weight is shown as 1620 lbs to 1760 lbs, but warns that it does not include a full tank of LP OR a battery (both on the tongue) and suggests adding up to 10% for options with no mention of added weight from personal items. With even 300 lps of "stuff" that adds up to about 2032 lbs to 2286 lbs which equals a minimum of 200 to 220 lbs of tongue weigh.


The posted tongue weights, if correct, are laughable because: a) They didn't include the battery and LP load on the tongue and, b) They are well under the 10% ratio generally accepted as minimum tongue weight.


Some Subaru's have the same issue, with low allowable tongue weight vs listed towing weight,, but many find a way.
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Old 08-01-2015, 11:35 AM   #20
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I meant a niche MARKET. I predict that there will be a surge of people looking for trailers they can tow with cars. The tiny house movement and the swell of baby boomers ...Just my feeling. Still may not be a huge market but....there is one. This "glamping" idea is one...
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I too have seen a growth of the tiny house movement. Don't think our eggs are in that group though as all of the "tiny houses" I've seen are built on 16' or bigger utility trailers and would have to be pulled with a large v/8 truck. I have a neighbor that just finished one at 18' and it has to weigh at least 5K#. Yup, it's tiny and nice but sure isn't lite .
I believe the point is that people with a mindset that a footprint of 200 sf is sufficient as a permanent residence are more likely to think that a space of 65 sf is sufficient for traveling. I do see an interest in tiny trailers paralleling the interest in tiny houses.
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If you look out in front of those "Tiny Houses" you often see an equally "Tiny Car" that would be overloaded pulling a 300 lb motorcycle tent-trailer. I don't think that many of the Tiny House group will become members of the FGRV group. Their 48 mpg Hybrids pretty much preclude membership, and families with kids are all but non-existent. Tent camping is their venue.....
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If you look out in front of those "Tiny Houses" you often see an equally "Tiny Car" that would be overloaded pulling a 300 lb motorcycle tent-trailer. I don't think that many of the Tiny House group will become members of the FGRV group. Their 48 mpg Hybrids pretty much preclude membership, and families with kids are all but non-existent. Tent camping is their venue.....
Actually, tiny house on tiny lot combined with tiny FGRV for travel would be a nice and frugal lifestyle. I have followed the tiny house movement for some time now and one can rent a U-Haul or similar to move the trailer, now and then.

Brochures tend to be eye-candy when it comes to RVs. Now, I think the T@B is a really nice looking unit but trying to find something with a low tongue weight, as we all know, is really difficult when you want the wet bath. It is even hard in a pop-up.
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Old 08-01-2015, 01:22 PM   #23
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I'm looking deeper into the T@B tongue weight issue. My cronies on the Volvo sites are laughing their heads off and posting photos of the kinds of things they pull with their Volvos... In Europe and in the UK they are easily pulling the T@B XL...

The wagon is rated to pull at least 3300lbs. It's that bloody tongue weight.

SO you can imagine my confusion.
THanks for keeping us safe!
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If you look out in front of those "Tiny Houses" you often see an equally "Tiny Car" that would be overloaded pulling a 300 lb motorcycle tent-trailer. I don't think that many of the Tiny House group will become members of the FGRV group. Their 48 mpg Hybrids pretty much preclude membership, and families with kids are all but non-existent. Tent camping is their venue.....
Perhaps you're right, Bob, though I think there is a subspecies of the "tiny house movement" that owns a truck to move them. They tend to be the rural, off-the-grid types.

And having children does change everything. It's amazing how many people abandon all their "principles" and become totally conventional when the kids arrive. Marriage sometimes does the same thing… LOL… As a bachelor I lived in a 24' trailer and later in an 800 sf cabin (garage was almost as big as the house- miss that garage!). Now married, two kids, his-and-hers SUVs, 1750 sf house,… But I still have a tiny trailer!
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I hadn't thought of it before but we own a tiny house in FL. The house part is 40'x12' for 480 square feet, bedroom, bath, kitchen/dining and living room, cost $15,000. It costs us $1300 a year coop fees and we only pay for electricity; taxes are $35 a year. FL allows small homes.

It has a unattached shed, 10 x 16' .

As well it has an attached FL room, 12' x 32' with thermopane windows. Both the house and FL room are air conditioned. The room is multi-purposed

It's perfectly sized for us.

We can easily sleep 6, if necessary we can park the Scamp beside the house and Ginny and I can stay in there if we have more than 6.

Florida is a magic place, there's affordable living for just about any income level.

The FL room is great for entertaining. Last year we had well over 100 people over for dinner or parties. Next year every other week we'll have coffee in the park at our place.

It did take us 8 years to get a lot at our Escapee park.
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I just don't know that 864 sq.ft. of living space would fit the general description of a "Tiny House", which is generally thought of as 400 sq.ft. or less, or about the size of your Florida room alone. You have the palace at Versailles, including the Hall of Mirrors, compared to that. LOL...
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And the "Tiny House" peeps turn their noses up at RV's as being space inefficient. LOL (again
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I'm looking deeper into the T@B tongue weight issue. My cronies on the Volvo sites are laughing their heads off and posting photos of the kinds of things they pull with their Volvos... In Europe and in the UK they are easily pulling the T@B XL...

The wagon is rated to pull at least 3300lbs. It's that bloody tongue weight.

SO you can imagine my confusion.
THanks for keeping us safe!
As we often parrot, "What happens in Europe stays in Europe"

I don't have access to the European Volvo specs, but, as a rule they are more lenient than ours, BUT they have much more restrictive speed limits and drivers license requirements than in North America.

If you haven't read it yet, here are some towing speed limits for Europe. Note that Sweden (as well as Volvo in many owners manuals) limits towing speed to 50 MPH.
Speed limits | Overseas Holidays | The Caravan Club

And to mention: That seemingly high limit for France includes the towing weight limit + the vehicles actual weight for the in determining allowable towing speed. Volvo's would all get the lower limit (56 MPH) when towing.

And, as oft heard, "All the Cronies in the world doing the wrong thing, doesn't make it one step closer to being right".
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I'm looking deeper into the T@B tongue weight issue. My cronies on the Volvo sites are laughing their heads off and posting photos of the kinds of things they pull with their Volvos... In Europe and in the UK they are easily pulling the T@B XL...

The wagon is rated to pull at least 3300lbs. It's that bloody tongue weight.

SO you can imagine my confusion.
THanks for keeping us safe!
Here is a possible answer:
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f51/odd-looking-camper-trailer-70844.html#post538980
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