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Old 09-30-2014, 10:54 AM   #15
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I think the only consideration is water freezing in the plumbing, not in the water tank.
Scamp without toilet has only one water line that goes from the fresh water tank to the sink and it's inside the trailer.

The furnace seems to take care of enough heat to be comfortable during the day and keep things above freezing at night. We spent almost a week in sub freezing temperatures down in Big Bend NP, TX. Two of the nights the temperatures got down to 5 with 4 night is the teens. However in 10 days I went through close to 3 tanks of propane. Therefore I would suggest that if you camp in really cold weather be prepared lots of propane usage.
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Old 09-30-2014, 04:57 PM   #16
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For hunting trips in weather that cold, you could buy either an empty Lil Snoozy shell or a regular cargo trailer with side entry, then have the walls and ceiling sprayed with 2" of polyurethane foam, and finish off with some paneling. Put some of those interlocking foam squares on the floor. Add whatever beds, cabinets, and stuff. Maybe a good double pane window or two as well. I'm sure you could make a snug trailer that would be more comfy than a tent.

Although they do make some pretty good cold weather tents, but then you're still on the ground.
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Old 09-30-2014, 07:12 PM   #17
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If you're worried about plumbing freezing, note that ALL of the Oliver's tanks and plumbing is enclosed within a space between the hulls that is kept heated with the ambient heat from the basement furnace and water heater. I've not personally camped below about the mid twenties, but when we did, we stayed quite toasty with nothing more than the heat strips in the A/C.
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Old 09-30-2014, 07:53 PM   #18
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Last year we crossed the southern border of the USA from FL to AZ. Virtually every night was below freezing causing us to disconnect our water to prevent freezing of the water hose. One night was so cold that the water in the campground froze.

When we find ourselves in freezing weather we look for full hook up sights. This allows us to run our electric heater. The electric heater is more than adequate to heat our Scamp 16.

It is our tradition to dump most mornings when travel. We had no freeze ups.

We always carry a half tank of water again no freezing problems.

I don't know what the shoulder seasons are but night time freezing weather in the teens seem to be relatively easy to with stand.



Our gray tank is not insulated or heated nor is the underneath plumbing insulated or heated. In two months of a lot of freezing weather we did not have a single freeze up except for the water hose the first night in TX and the campground water in NM.
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Old 09-30-2014, 09:00 PM   #19
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We just returned from a one-week camping/hiking trip to Sequoia NP and experienced every kind of weather from hot, to mild, to cold to freezing as well as rain! Our Scamp provided great shelter in all weather. We did experience an oddity with our heater however. Rarely has our heater gone on in past camping trips (we tend to camp in the shoulder seasons closest to the summer months) but it went on a couple nights on this trip. We had noticed the lights were dimming and that at night the heater was quieter than usual and put out little heat. As it turns out our battery was low and affected both our lights and our heater. So as to conserve battery life we used our headlamps for reading in bed. We stayed cozy nevertheless because we have very comfortable bedding. See my post regarding bedding here; see entry #10. Hi I'm Kathleen

As to using a fiberglass RV for hunting, perhaps after reading this thread you might want to change your sport to ice fishing! http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f56/anyone-ice-fish-in-a-scamp-44677.html
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Old 10-09-2014, 09:42 AM   #20
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For the Shoulder season campers

This pass September the Northern Hemisphere had the highest snow coverage since 1967. Is this a sign of the coming winter?
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Old 10-09-2014, 11:46 AM   #21
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...Roger , my son and I may just go back to hunting out of a tent , a much less expensive option...
Any fiberglass trailer with a propane furnace will be warmer and more comfortable than a tent with no furnace. Any extra insulation that the manufacturer installs will be a bonus to you in terms of ability to retain warmth. Whether or not you will be able to operate the water systems in your trailer will depend on how well protected they are from the cold and on how cold it is.

I would take the fiberglass egg for cold weather camping over a tent any day.
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Old 10-10-2014, 09:16 AM   #22
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In Saskatchewan the term Shoulder Season means spring and fall. Those are also the times we have enjoyed our very best camping! Often we are the only people in the campground, and we truly enjoy the quiet and privacy. Our Trillium stays pleasantly warm with either the furnace or an electric heater if we claim a site with power supplied. We never cook inside and carry water in a container we refill as needed - often there is still water available at the campsite or at a nearby facility. Once we camped comfortably in a blizzard, but mostly the weather is better than that.
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Any fiberglass trailer with a propane furnace will be warmer and more comfortable than a tent with no furnace. Any extra insulation that the manufacturer installs will be a bonus to you in terms of ability to retain warmth. Whether or not you will be able to operate the water systems in your trailer will depend on how well protected they are from the cold and on how cold it is.

I would take the fiberglass egg for cold weather camping over a tent any day.
We boondock hunt for the 9 day Wisconsin Deer Hunting Season. The sites where we camp have No electricity, No water , No toilets, No nothing . The temperatures are below freezing ,often below zero Deg F with many of the days being windy, cloudy or overcast . Right now we haul in water which soon freezes and even in the best fiberglass trailer with insulation ,the water would freeze . When tenting if the water freezes it causes no damage but in a trailer that is not the case
Spending thousands of additional dollars for an insulated trailer ,which is still only useable for 5 months a year in my climate made me question it's value to me for my purpose . I wish someone made a fiberglass trailer that was truly four season at a price less than $50K . Whether in a tent or trailer ,we would still be using an unprotected pit toilet . It seems that our fiberglass trailers are designed for people who live in temperate climates . I can buy a new, good sleeping bag and a winter tent for a more reasonable cost , Maybe I should just hunt in a state with a warmer climate
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We boondock hunt for the 9 day Wisconsin Deer Hunting Season. The sites where we camp have No electricity, No water , No toilets, No nothing . The temperatures are below freezing ,often below zero Deg F with many of the days being windy, cloudy or overcast . Right now we haul in water which soon freezes and even in the best fiberglass trailer with insulation ,the water would freeze . When tenting if the water freezes it causes no damage but in a trailer that is not the case
Spending thousands of additional dollars for an insulated trailer ,which is still only useable for 5 months a year in my climate made me question it's value to me for my purpose . I wish someone made a fiberglass trailer that was truly four season at a price less than $50K . Whether in a tent or trailer ,we would still be using an unprotected pit toilet . It seems that our fiberglass trailers are designed for people who live in temperate climates . I can buy a new, good sleeping bag and a winter tent for a more reasonable cost , Maybe I should just hunt in a state with a warmer climate
I have a brother who sometimes stays in his stick built fifth wheel all winter while working on northern Alberta pipeline projects. That is more severe winter weather than what you are dealing with. Of course, he puts insulated skirting around his trailer, heat traces the water lines, and uses a ton of propane to keep things warm inside. So there are definitely ways to winter camp if you are really set on it. It is all about expectations.

For maybe not so cold temperatures and for shorter durations, one approach to using a camper in the colder weather is to keep it winterized, and do not use the freshwater systems (i.e. bring bottled water) and do not empty anything into the drains (i.e. grey tank). If you use the toilet, make sure to manually add rv antifreeze to flush with. Without the furnace running in freezing weather, it does not matter which trailer you own, it is going to lose heat and get below freezing temperature. If you do not want bottled water or food to freeze during the day while you are out, you will also have to keep the propane furnace running while you are out.
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Old 10-10-2014, 01:45 PM   #25
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We have spent many nights below 32 degrees in two Scamps. A bit of anti-freeze in the tanks works well down to about 20 degrees. Below that it takes quite a bit of anti-freeze and your interior plumbing can be a problem where furnace heat doesn't reach. At zero I would winterize the trailer and carry jugs of water and a porta-potty inside. Haven't done that yet. The furnace is quite adequate at these temps. Our battery lasts about 2 days with the frequent furnace use, I did move ours inside to keep it warm. Solar might help but the sun is pretty low in the sky in a Northern Winter and I haven't tried it. Many folks use catalytic heaters with no electricity needed, we haven't. I suppose a generator might be called for, but truthfully I find little pleasure in extended camping at zero. All enclosures (houses or campers) can develop significant moisture issues when used continuously at such temps. Be aware, and have fun.

I think if I were a Wintertime hunter I would put the thousands needed to purchase a camper towards a nice lodge with a fireplace.

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John, the conditions you describe are challenging even for the best 4-season trailer. My Bigfoot operates fine in those temperatures, but the furnace must be operating to keep the water system above freezing. Without a power supply, the battery won't last more than a day or two without re-charging. Solar re-charging can be marginal in winter weather so that means using a generator. I use a Honda 2000. As for spending 50,000 on a Bigfoot or similar, you can do a lot better in the used market. I still think a winterized Scamp would make a good sleeping and cooking facility in your camp. But a 10X12 wall tent with a wood stove or propane heater would be great, too.
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For you shoulder season Great Lake campers...

The present temperatures of Lake Superior and Lake Michigan are 6 degrees F colder than last year, not trivial.
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We had 30 deg F this morning but a high of 70 deg F is predicted for tomorrow
That is our shoulder season . My wife and I are looking at purchasing a new 21 ft Escape with the optional insulation packages. We were hoping its cold weather rating would allow us to use the trailer during hunting season as well as during the normal camping season. I realize we are asking for something that would not be of use to most people . Thanks to all of you for your help and suggestions
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