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Old 04-27-2016, 11:43 AM   #15
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I keep reading not to use gasoline with ethanol in it for the generators (or other small engines). I know I've had MANY problems with using it in my snowblower and weed whackers, not so much in my lawn mowers, but the engine techs have all said that ethanol is bad for small engines.

Since most gas stations across the country use at least 10% ethanol blends, siphoning out of your vehicle gas tank may not be the best. Luckily, here in MI there are plenty of marinas which usually do sell non-ethanol gasoline, so getting it is not difficult.

Do most folks worry about this with their generators or is it more of a theoretical issue that the generators handle ok?
I have a older Honda 1000 and they said to just use premium fuel in my generator also use the stabilizer and they have fuel additive you could put in fuel . One is called 103 +at auto parts store . I recently starting using my Honda again and they still said premium fuel . Pat
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Old 04-27-2016, 05:14 PM   #16
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I do not worry about the alchohol in the fuel.
I do always add a little sea foam to my spare fuel cans though. Ever since doing that I have not had to clean a single carburetor on anything. From my motocross bike to a weed wacker and everything in-between.

I do buy ethanol free fuel when I am out west as my vehicle gets better MPG with it. That makes sense of course as there is more energy in a mol of gasoline than there is in ethanol.

The one benifit of ethanol is that it allows water and gasoline to mix. That's also a bad thing as it is hydroscopic and absorbs moisture at all times. If you want to make your own ethanol free fuel to save a huge amount of money over buying it special that way, just pour water into your gasoline and shake the crap out of it. What will happen is the alchohol and water will mix until the water dilutes the alchohol so much it can no longer mix with the gas. They will then separate as normal. The gasloline will float on top of the water ready to be separated however you wish. You can do this an ounce at a time in a flask to find how much ethanol is in your particular fuel.

My generator calls for ethanol free premium fuel according to who branded it here in the USA. However they based this on a misconception that it seems most Americans have; that "premium" fuel means better. It is not a quality grade, but a measurment and catagory based on octane content.

The compression ratio of your engine is the only thing that determines if you need higher octane or not. Octane is a retardant that raises the flash point of the fuel to slow ts burn and prevent detonation and pinging. If your vehicle or engine is running nice without pinging knocking or otherwise detonating, you do NOT need "premium" fuel. If your engine is not pinging on 87 octane standard fuel and you switch to higher octane fuel anyway you will actually lose power and MPG by essentially retarding the timing of your engine.

The people who branded my generator also say to over fill the crank case with oil. Not in words of course but they tell you to fill it with 350ml even though it is overfilled at 300. *face palm* Their obvious idea is to avoid damage and return claims by overdoing it in the instructions. In both cases they are wrong.

My 800 watt max 750 watt continuous generator holds a solid 800 watt output for as long as I want on regular fuel. Even e15. This means that if I listened to the suggestion to use premium I would very likely NOT be able to do that as it really couldn't run better than it does now.

A lot of people report only getting about 730 watts constant from theirs. I bet they put "premium" in it.
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:45 PM   #17
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use your TV

I've mentioned this before. we rig our TV engine as our generator. it is quieter less pollution and recharges our battery faster since it pumps more amps. no need to carry a generator or extra gas.
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Old 04-27-2016, 09:29 PM   #18
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I do not worry about the alchohol in the fuel.
I do always add a little sea foam to my spare fuel cans though. Ever since doing that I have not had to clean a single carburetor on anything. From my motocross bike to a weed wacker and everything in-between.

I do buy ethanol free fuel when I am out west as my vehicle gets better MPG with it. That makes sense of course as there is more energy in a mol of gasoline than there is in ethanol.

The one benifit of ethanol is that it allows water and gasoline to mix. That's also a bad thing as it is hydroscopic and absorbs moisture at all times. If you want to make your own ethanol free fuel to save a huge amount of money over buying it special that way, just pour water into your gasoline and shake the crap out of it. What will happen is the alchohol and water will mix until the water dilutes the alchohol so much it can no longer mix with the gas. They will then separate as normal. The gasloline will float on top of the water ready to be separated however you wish. You can do this an ounce at a time in a flask to find how much ethanol is in your particular fuel.

My generator calls for ethanol free premium fuel according to who branded it here in the USA. However they based this on a misconception that it seems most Americans have; that "premium" fuel means better. It is not a quality grade, but a measurment and catagory based on octane content.

The compression ratio of your engine is the only thing that determines if you need higher octane or not. Octane is a retardant that raises the flash point of the fuel to slow ts burn and prevent detonation and pinging. If your vehicle or engine is running nice without pinging knocking or otherwise detonating, you do NOT need "premium" fuel. If your engine is not pinging on 87 octane standard fuel and you switch to higher octane fuel anyway you will actually lose power and MPG by essentially retarding the timing of your engine.

The people who branded my generator also say to over fill the crank case with oil. Not in words of course but they tell you to fill it with 350ml even though it is overfilled at 300. *face palm* Their obvious idea is to avoid damage and return claims by overdoing it in the instructions. In both cases they are wrong.

My 800 watt max 750 watt continuous generator holds a solid 800 watt output for as long as I want on regular fuel. Even e15. This means that if I listened to the suggestion to use premium I would very likely NOT be able to do that as it really couldn't run better than it does now.

A lot of people report only getting about 730 watts constant from theirs. I bet they put "premium" in it.
My Honda is a from the 90's not inverter like now . In fact it has a metal case not plastic . So would that still apply for me ? Should I get some Seafoam and just use regular . Give me the recipe . Pat
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Old 04-27-2016, 10:04 PM   #19
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Bought a quiet 2000 watt propane generator at HD for $230.00 and connect it to my propane tank. Don't worry about old gasoline.
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Old 04-28-2016, 05:50 PM   #20
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I use a very good quality plastic container made for gasoline and transport in in the shower on the floor with the window slightly opened but it never leaks.
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My Honda is a from the 90's not inverter like now . In fact it has a metal case not plastic . So would that still apply for me ? Should I get some Seafoam and just use regular . Give me the recipe . Pat
That all depends on the original performance level of the unit and thus compression ratio. Always assume ethanol is bad for things and worse the older said thing is. You will be fine with todays e10-15 in that generator though, and the ethanol actually behaves a bit like octane as well reducing pinging.

If the generator has a lot of hours on it the compression is likely lower than it was when new. Also Honda is conservative with compression on their generator engines so that they favor long life over max power. Basically they are expected to run for thousands of hours without fail, compared to a motocross or other race bike engine that needs to make massive power and be as light as possible. Those need to be rebuilt constantly because they run high compression ratios, and therefore need "premium" or race fuel with high octane.

As for the sea foam you add in a half to a whole ounce per gallon usually. Even a tablespoon per gallon would greately increase the life of the fuel when sitting. At the ounce per gallon ratio you will be actively cleaning your fuel system and removing carbon from the engine.

I have had multipe situations where I was able to unclog a main or idle jet in a carb with sea foam alone and it has saved me from having to open the carb at all.
Good stuff.

Stabil works for long term storrage too, but in my experience sea foam works better for that while costing less and having many other benefits. It helps lubricate the engine too.

My other additive that I litterally will not run a four stroke engine or a gearbox (including differential) without is called tufoil.
I get it on amazon. Its the world's most efficient lubricant/ most slippery substance known to man. Guinness record since I think 96.

Never try and break in an engine with this stuff in it though, it won't happen. Haha
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Old 04-29-2016, 07:35 AM   #22
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On my silverado and many other car, it have a schrader valve on the engine to take the fuel pump pressure, i have a smal hose with adaptor , i plug in and start engine , i can fill my honda 2000
https://www.schraderinternational.co...c_lang=en-US-E
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That all depends on the original performance level of the unit and thus compression ratio. Always assume ethanol is bad for things and worse the older said thing is. You will be fine with todays e10-15 in that generator though, and the ethanol actually behaves a bit like octane as well reducing pinging.

If the generator has a lot of hours on it the compression is likely lower than it was when new. Also Honda is conservative with compression on their generator engines so that they favor long life over max power. Basically they are expected to run for thousands of hours without fail, compared to a motocross or other race bike engine that needs to make massive power and be as light as possible. Those need to be rebuilt constantly because they run high compression ratios, and therefore need "premium" or race fuel with high octane.

As for the sea foam you add in a half to a whole ounce per gallon usually. Even a tablespoon per gallon would greately increase the life of the fuel when sitting. At the ounce per gallon ratio you will be actively cleaning your fuel system and removing carbon from the engine.

I have had multipe situations where I was able to unclog a main or idle jet in a carb with sea foam alone and it has saved me from having to open the carb at all.
Good stuff.

Stabil works for long term storrage too, but in my experience sea foam works better for that while costing less and having many other benefits. It helps lubricate the engine too.

My other additive that I litterally will not run a four stroke engine or a gearbox (including differential) without is called tufoil.
I get it on amazon. Its the world's most efficient lubricant/ most slippery substance known to man. Guinness record since I think 96.

Never try and break in an engine with this stuff in it though, it won't happen. Haha
Thankyou for the advice . The gen has very little running time on it . Bought it years ago and never used it . I had put new fuel in it because I ran it dry before I stored it ,and changed the oil . Tried it out and she started right up . Now I have a use for gen . Probably 10-15 hours total useage on gen . I will get some Seafoam and some tufoil too. Pat
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An other thing about Honda 2000 , the perfect storage bac is '' Rubbermaid Actionpacker ''

The generation fit just in the bac , a post on airtream forum tell this and it's realy the best container


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I use one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Gasoline-Trans...ilpage_o05_s00

Works great!
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I would and have used just a gas can, going after hookups on the TV fuel system just seems like way more expense and work. While I'm sure you can tap into the Schrader valve for checking fuel pressure it was not necessarily designed for repeated frequent use. The fuel is under high pressure, the engine may be hot.... I can see things going really wrong.

Some cars you can get a small diameter siphon line into. There are also small fuel containers made for camping fuel.

Me I would look for one or two fuel cans of a size that would stow well and provide you with safe, easy to fill solution. A re-fuel solution I might add that would work if you wanted to use generator with different vehicle or at someone's home for emergency power.



The reason bicycles don't have heated handgrips is because wearing gloves is much simpler solution.
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On my silverado and many other car, it have a schrader valve on the engine to take the fuel pump pressure, i have a smal hose with adaptor , i plug in and start engine , i can fill my honda 2000
https://www.schraderinternational.co...c_lang=en-US-E
Yep that valve on the fuel rail is what I was suggesting to use. It can be picky, but if you absolutely want to use the fuel in your vehicles tank then that's the most sure fire way as all fuel injected cars have that port.
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I use a very good quality plastic container made for gasoline and transport in in the shower on the floor with the window slightly opened but it never leaks.
Unless you run that genny ALOT, I would opt for a propane conversion for the Honda 2000. Easy to do and you already have propane available.
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