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Old 12-15-2006, 04:18 PM   #15
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Old 12-15-2006, 05:53 PM   #16
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The Smart fortwo is offered with gasoline and diesel engines; each country carries the variations which make sense in its market. In Canada, only the 0.8L diesel is offered, presumably because the car is pointless here without extremely good fuel economy, and because it is so expensive anyway that a little more for the diesel engine won't matter.

I notice that the version offered by ZAP is listed as a 61 hp turbo, with no mention of diesel; presumably it is the mid-range version of the "petrol" choices in the U.K. where they get only petrol choices. The article mentioned the difference between the Canadian-market diesel and ZAP-imported gasoline engines, but not very clearly. I assume that it would be difficult to get emissions certification in the U.S. for the current diesel engine.

To be fair to ZAP, it should be considered that the diesel tested by Consumer Reports in Canada has only two-thirds of the peak power output of the gasoline unit which ZAP is importing to the U.S.


Anyway, Benita originally posted about the SUV which was supposed to be coming; that would presumably have had some towing capacity, while the fortwo has none, by our standards - with any of its engines.
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Old 12-15-2006, 06:18 PM   #17
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Most of the time, when I see a similar looking car on the road, it has Mexico License Plates. It seems that while they cannot be sold here, it is OK to drive them here... although the cars I am referring to are built by Hyundai.
There are reciprocal agreements between nations, not unlike those between US states, that allow properly registered, and with locally valid insurance, vehicles to drive in other countries. That's why Canadian and Mexican license plates are often seen in the US and vice versa. It's also true for other countries -- In places like Alaska, the American Old West and other popular tourist destinations, it is not unusual to see RVs and motorcycles with Euro license plates -- Their owners have shipped the vehicles over for extended trips, but the vehicles must be shipped back, destroyed, forfeited or modified to meet DOT/EPA requirements if they are to remain in the country.
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Old 12-15-2006, 06:36 PM   #18
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Ya, they are cute.
It might be a good idea to think about what in the main thing Consumer Reports does when reading their reviews. They sell magazines and books. They don't always have the best or even good "experts" reviewing products. I used to read and believe them until I started looking closer. A number of years ago I was faithful to their cause, but after reading a couple of reviews about products I had done some extensive discecting on realized that they didn't always know what they were talking about.

My suggestion, as with any review, be a bit sceptical.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic.

"Back to our regularly scheduled topic."
Guess I made the mistake of butting into a private discussion. So sorry. Thought I had something to contribute, but guess I was mistaken.
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Old 12-15-2006, 07:29 PM   #19
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Hey Art, I appreciated you post. Thanks.
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Old 12-15-2006, 07:45 PM   #20
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Actually that Consumer Reports review is very close to what is said about Smarts in Europe. They are largely a fashion, rather a rational, purchase - we can buy very small ordinary cars with four seats for the same money and fuel economy.

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I respect Consumer Reports enough to have become a "Life Member" of Consumer's Union. Their information is a good starting point in research; but I have made decisions contrary to their advise that have worked out well too. I also welcome "other" opinions. A lively debate from several perspectives helps me think of all possibilities.
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"Back to our regularly scheduled topic."
Guess I made the mistake of butting into a private discussion. So sorry. Thought I had something to contribute, but guess I was mistaken.
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Huh?

That comment apparently didn't work as intended. Your comments, Art, were on topic. Mine were off topic. I really didn't want this to turn into a love/hate thing concerning Consumer Reports. I did, however attempt to take advantage of your comments to point out that Consumer Reports is be all, end all, when it comes to product reviews. I intended to let it go at that.

So, if I offended you, I'm really sorry, it wasn't intended.
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Old 12-16-2006, 08:14 AM   #22
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I have only seen one of these being driven around town. I deliver mail to a very upscale mall, and I happened to see someone driving one out of the parking area on the job one day a couple of months ago.

Also, for about a week, the Mini-Cooper dealership about a mile from my house had some on their lot. By the time I had the time to go look at them, they were all gone. (He had about a half dozen of them sitting out by the road.) Whether he sold them or whether they were just there for show, I don't know.
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Huh?

That comment apparently didn't work as intended. Your comments, Art, were on topic. Mine were off topic. I really didn't want this to turn into a love/hate thing concerning Consumer Reports. I did, however attempt to take advantage of your comments to point out that Consumer Reports is be all, end all, when it comes to product reviews. I intended to let it go at that.

So, if I offended you, I'm really sorry, it wasn't intended.

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I'm really sorry I misunderstood you. I'm still looking forward to learning something about dutch oven cookery from you----

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Old 12-16-2006, 09:17 PM   #24
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Old 12-17-2006, 07:12 AM   #25
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There are two Zap Smart Cars (legally imported Daimler Smart Cars) for sale on the Ford dealer's lot here in Tipton, Iowa! Zap has been selling them in the U.S. under their name for a while now.
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And, returning to subject "Smart Cars"-----

I've seen a number of them here, so there must be a "dealer" close by. Really strange vehicle for a mountain town, where anything but a four-wheel drive vehicle can be virtually unsaleable!

One of the local real estate offices has two or more---yellow--and the r.e. signs on the side and back seem bigger than the car itself. Hardly the kind of car to ferry your r.e. clients around in, is it? Maybe strictly an advertising billboard--hey, they do catch your attention.

And when there is snow and ice on the roads, that's not the kind of vehicle that I want to be in, for sure.
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...And when there is snow and ice on the roads, that's not the kind of vehicle that I want to be in, for sure.
There are enough Smart fortwos around here that it is no longer unusual to see them on the road. They don't appear to be having any problem with winter, and some correspondence in a local newspaper confirms that the drivers are happy with them. The tires are about typical in diameter for subcompact cars, and the vehicle is rear-heavy with rear-wheel-drive, which is a good combination for traction.

I would be a little concerned about stability with this vehicle (it's too tall for its short length), but not with traction. Of course, I would use good winter tires, just as I do with my car and van.

The "need" for trucks and four-wheel-drive for use on ordinary public roads is a figment of the imagination of buyers and marketing people, although of course driving all four wheels can be helpful. I drive a Honda Civic (ordinary front-wheel-drive small car) to work from my rural home, and do not have any difficulty, yet some of my neighbors insist that they need trucks because of that same location.

Just to put my comments in context... we are months into winter here (it started soon after Chester started the Snow Job thread in September), and yesterday I spent an hour and a half plowing my driveway - again. We don't get deep snow, but we know about roads with snow and ice!

While I personally have little use for the Smart, the comparison with trucks emphasizes the difference between need and desire: just as the people with the enormous "bulgemobile" RVs think they need them, while we are happy with much smaller trailers, there will always be those who "need" more.
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Old 12-17-2006, 02:43 PM   #27
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I found an RV that the Smart-Cars can tow.... (see below)

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