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Old 05-16-2013, 06:13 PM   #197
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Nope Byron....it wasn't the manuf problem it was a battery problem.... unfortunately I'm on my phone and can't add the link to save you reading back a page or 3.



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Maybe somebody can enlighten me a bit.
The OP was about two batteries spitting out liquid.
In the pursuit of an answer of why did the batteries spit out liquid it was discovered there was a basic design issue concerning battery placement. The rest of this thread has been about attempting to band-aid that placement. Isn't that the trailer manufacturer's problem? Shouldn't ParkLiner be in the middle of this?

Also I don't believe it was ever said what the root cause. Somebody somewhere said is was the batteries. But it was also said that was very unlikely that both batteries would fail at the same time. So what was the root cause of the initial battery failure?
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:20 PM   #198
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Nope Byron....it wasn't the manuf problem it was a battery problem.... unfortunately I'm on my phone and can't add the link to save you reading back a page or 3...........
It would be nice if the batteries were installed in such a way that if the batteries spit out hydrogen or acid, the occupants are not endangered.

It seems like the batteries got super discharged, but I guess we don't know that for a fact.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:21 PM   #199
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Also I don't believe it was ever said what the root cause. Somebody somewhere said is was the batteries. But it was also said that was very unlikely that both batteries would fail at the same time. So what was the root cause of the initial battery failure?
It was the O.P. reporting what Camping World diagnosed as the problem who stated it as "bad batteries" or words to that effect. As I understand it there was nothing in the placement/wiring/converter that caused the meltdown. I'm not sure whether/how Parkliner could explain about the batteries themselves...

I'm interested in what causes/constitutes "bad batteries", too. Maybe Optima Mike can help us out as to possible causes for that since he's familiar with the battery type.

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Old 05-16-2013, 06:26 PM   #200
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It was the O.P. reporting what Camping World diagnosed as the problem who stated it as "bad batteries" or words to that effect. As I understand it is there was nothing in the placement/wiring/converter that caused the meltdown.

I'm interested in what causes/constitutes "bad batteries", too...maybe Optima Mike can help us out as to possible causes for that since he's familiar with the battery type.

Francesca

Thanks I found it. Not sure I would trust Camping World for a correct diagnosis.

I hope somebody sends those batteries back to Johnson Controls/Optima for evaluation.

That still doesn't solve the location/design issue.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:34 PM   #201
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mice in the shed.

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Hopefully mice will not get in the trailer. Funny story about mice in my shed. I noticed that they stopped leaving their markers behind one year and was puzzled? I went out one morning to pull out my lawn tractor to cut my lawn and when I sat down on the seat, it moved? I sat up and there was this black snake curled up on my seat. I do not think my feet touched the ground on the way back to the house. I did not cut my grass that summer, hired a lawn service. No mice but I lost my use of my tractor, for awhile!!
Moral of story, do not get a snake if you want to eliminate mice.
I have a friend who has a large collection of beautifully restored antique cars. When he sees the first sign of a mouse in his building, He starts two or three cars and closes up the shop, goes for a short lunch, then returns to a mouse free environment.(except for a few carcasses lying about)
Opening the overhead doors vents the place.
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:27 PM   #202
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Depends on the solar charger. My GoPower controller is a 4 stage charger & does a desulphation or equalization stage every 28 days, or whenever the battery voltage falls below 12.1V. It has 3 battery profiles, so it can be shut off for those battery types that are not happy with a equalization cycle.
THANKS that is what I will look for and have made notes on that. Super!!!
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Has it been established that there was a chain of causation which involved incorrect or unsuitable charging parameters of the PD converter? Bad battery was probably CW shorthand for a situation which produced a bad battery. Comparable to the lost shoe and the lame horse. I wonder what CW charged for the diagnosis?

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Thanks I found it. Not sure I would trust Camping World for a correct diagnosis.

I hope somebody sends those batteries back to Johnson Controls/Optima for evaluation.

That still doesn't solve the location/design issue.


I didn't catch that the batteries deemed to have failed are Optimas, as in "Optima Jim"...sounds like the maker in question is in the conversation already! Thanks for pointing that out to me- hoping to hear from him/them on possible causes soon...

As for the questions about venting/location that have emerged in this very useful thread: does anyone besides me think that this subject might be worthy of a "New thread split"?

Since Parkliner isn't the only manufacturer putting batteries in the inside of trailers rather than outside, I think separation of that issue could be most useful.

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Since Parkliner isn't the only manufacturer putting batteries in the inside of trailers rather than outside, I think separation of that issue could be most useful.

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Or not. Perhaps the issue really hasn't been about the battery, but that Parkliner does not isolate and vent the battery.
Perhaps, those who have other brand trailers could simply post in this thread, what their manufacturer does. We've already learned that batteries should be contained and vented.
Any event, mine is outside on the back bumper.
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Old 05-16-2013, 08:09 PM   #206
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Or not. Perhaps the issue really hasn't been about the battery, but that Parkliner does not isolate and vent the battery.
Lil' Snoozy doesn't either, Glenn.

And the fact that you (certainly an attentive reader) missed the post to that effect a few pages back may further the point that a freestanding thread on that subject could be very useful for all.

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There you go. Pertinent information.
Thank you.
Although, I don't see how that suggests that the issue should be separated from the brand ( as you seem to desire ), or what other brands do.
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There you go. Pertinent information.
Thank you.
Although, I don't see how that suggests that the issue should be separated from the brand ( as you seem to desire ), or what other brands do.
I don't suggest that the issue of battery placement/separation be separated from the brand- in my opinion, the issue of how/whether to place batteries inside a trailer is not brand-specific. It seems to be an increasing practice, at least with AGM's, and that's the problem.

I think placing any batteries capable of outgassing in an unsealed/unvented interior a very risky practice and have said so in other threads more than once. A response I have received (also more than once) is that AGM batteries are somehow immune to the hazards associated with "ordinary" lead-acid batteries. Until now, novice that I am, I accepted that as a fact.

This incident informs us that the same catastrophic failure that puts folks at risk from any other battery can indeed happen with the fabled AGM.

In my opinion, that's important information, perhaps news to everyone on this subject, and worthy of specific focus beyond the single brand of trailer under scrutiny here.

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I didn't catch that the batteries deemed to have failed are Optimas, as in "Optima Jim"...sounds like the maker in question is in the conversation already! Thanks for pointing that out to me- hoping to hear from him/them on possible causes soon...

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It is probably safe to say the manufacturer of the batteries would not want to make statements about the cause of failure without having those batteries in their possession to do a failure analysis.
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There has been so much to process and I am appreciative to everyone who has commented, made suggestions. This has been a big learning experience and I am glad that I'm not the only one benefiting from the dialog and shared inputs. Thank you to you all. And of course, it is so reassuring that we have OptimaJim in the conversation.

Thank you Scott for adding to the thread your experience and for the calculation regarding the draw the CO detector was producing, which Jim verified, and noted that issues with battery can come up even before the battery is fully discharged.

As far as the cause of the battery failure, it is more than fair to say, even though we were fully charged when we put in storage, we were clearly over the 100 day threshold. Needless to day a lesson learned I will never forget. But obviously we had a much larger issue than non-functional batteries in that there was an unexpected impact with the batteries venting toxic materials and gases and smoke in the internal compartment. We have littles, and this is beyond a hypothetical situation, it happened, it happened to us, so I will not be taking any chances that we never encounter some malfunction down the line of a component, our batteries will be sealed and vented to the outside.

Of course, no one wanted or intended this to happen, and I don't hold any ill will towards anyone, other than perhaps myself for not having been more informed about the proper care and monitoring of the batteries. I am grateful that the outcome was only inconvenience. And I am grateful that there was this community to come to, as so many people offered kind words and advise and suggestions. I was overwhelmed by all the responses and still processing all the information (and residual emotions from that morning) you all so generously shared.

Fingers crossed the battery boxes that will be delivered tomorrow will physically fit into the space!
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