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Old 05-11-2013, 04:06 PM   #57
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There was battery acid spraying off the battery tops but it was the bad smell that woke us, not smoke.

Now that I'm out of panic mode, I reason the smoke was from the battery acid splattering, and burning, the wooden cover to the compartment. It was not smoking inside the cabin, until we lifted the cover at which point released it within and set off the smoke alarm.

I had a false sense of security that a new unit meant we were in the clear of electrical issues and troubleshooting involved in older models. It was so unexpected I couldn't even grasp it. Smoking battery was not accurate, but seems to be a good jump board for jokes- and humor even the kind that is going over my head is nice after having a bad scare!
When you get Parkliner on the phone, I assume you're going to be calling, ask if the Progressive Dynamics Converter was equipped with what Progressive Dynamics calls a "Charge Wizard"? The Charge Wizard helps with flooded cell batteries, but I would think it would be mandatory with sealed batteries.
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Smoke and Jokes...

It's been a long long standing joke in the electronics industry that all electrical and electronics devices run on smoke. The proof is in the fact if let the smoke out the devices quit working.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:10 PM   #59
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MiMi are the batteries in a sealed compartment?

I have never seen a Parkliner .

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Old 05-11-2013, 04:25 PM   #60
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When you get Parkliner on the phone, I assume you're going to be calling, ask if the Progressive Dynamics Converter was equipped with what Progressive Dynamics calls a "Charge Wizard"? The Charge Wizard helps with flooded cell batteries, but I would think it would be mandatory with sealed batteries.
Yes, definitely calling into Parkliner. We called this mornin to report the issue. I will call again for more thorough follow up and additional assurances. I will ask about the charge wizard, thanks for the speaking points.

This thankfully was merely a close call, it could have been much much worse. I don't want it to happen to us again, or to anyone else !
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It's been a long long standing joke in the electronics industry that all electrical and electronics devices run on smoke. The proof is in the fact if let the smoke out the devices quit working.
Thanks for letting me in on the jokes!
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MiMi are the batteries in a sealed compartment?

I have never seen a Parkliner .

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By sealed if you mean inaccessible or airtight, no it isn't. The compartment is insulated and has a lidded cover. The batteries and converter also resides in the same compartment as the water pump. We were told it is not a storage compartment, which we are in compliance with, but it's not 'sealed' with weather stripping or locked down if you will.
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There was battery acid spraying off the battery tops but it was the bad smell that woke us, not smoke.

Now that I'm out of panic mode, I reason the smoke was from the battery acid splattering, and burning, the wooden cover to the compartment. It was not smoking inside the cabin, until we lifted the cover at which point released it within and set off the smoke alarm.

I had a false sense of security that a new unit meant we were in the clear of electrical issues and troubleshooting involved in older models. It was so unexpected I couldn't even grasp it. Smoking battery was not accurate, but seems to be a good jump board for jokes- and humor even the kind that is going over my head is nice after having a bad scare!
Thanks, Mimi...

Did it smell like rotten eggs? I ask because for me that would mean hydrogen sulfide....and for some reason I have it in my head that one of the advantages of AGM batteries is supposed to be that they don't/won't give off this gas-?

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By sealed if you mean inaccessible or airtight, no it isn't. The compartment is insulated and has a lidded cover. The batteries and converter also resides in the same compartment as the water pump. We were told it is not a storage compartment, which we are in compliance with, but it's not 'sealed' with weather stripping or locked down if you will.

Sorry for the confusion. The batteries are consider Sealed Batteries. There's no use access to the electrolyte. Batteries like you vehicle with the removable caps are not considered sealed. The Blue Top Optima are considered maintenance free or sealed batteries. That's the problem, the hydrogen gas released when charging is absorbed back into the electrolyte in Maintenance Free batteries and released into the atmosphere with standard batteries. One of the benefits of sealed or maintenance free batteries they can inside the living area. One of negative sides sealed batteries can't be charged as rapidly. If the speed of charging is greater (release of hydrogen) than the absorption speed pressure builds up inside the battery. There's a relief valve that releases so the battery case doesn't explode when the inside pressure builds.

This is why I think it's a charging issue that usually doesn't happen except when the batteries are fully discharged.
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Thanks, Mimi...

Did it smell like rotten eggs? I ask because for me that would mean hydrogen sulfide....and for some reason I have it in my head that one of the advantages of AGM batteries is supposed to be that they don't/won't give off this gas-?

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Generally speaking you're correct. However see my above post for a possible explanation of what happened. There might not be enough gas to smell with burning created by the sulfuric acid and gas released by that.
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Yes, rotten egg is an apt description. The sealed batteries are advertised as not giving off gases. They didn't work as advertised for us!
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I have the same converter with a Lifeline AGM. It charges fine. Unlike flooded cells, AGMs have a very low self discharge. I leave mine for 5 months and it drops about 0.3 volts. But, I fully charge it before I put it away for the winter. As I said earlier, I suspect the converter malfunctioned. Raz
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I have a progressive dynamic 4045 and there is a jumper for voltage charging for gel battries. Take the face plate cover off by prying at the bottom and then once the bottom pops off push up to get the top off. It will give you acess to the jumper, it is in the upper left hand corner and it will have wires on it, twist them together and make sure it is on both pins. It will say "lead acid off, gel on" . That will regulate the voltage for gel battries. That will keep it from letting out the smoke. there is no mention of this jumper in the manual, or on there web page but I do know that gel and agm battries need to be charged the last 10% at a lower voltage than 14.4 volts. That is what I believe this jumper does.
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I never really thought I would state this on this forum, but, I really have to agree with everything Byron has stated about this problem.

He is 100% correct! IMHO (And his too!)

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So I have a question related to all the issues discussed here. These are AGM batteries, so a single bad cell isn't supposed to cause a full short in the battery correct?

But let's say a full short occurred in one of the batteries. How would the converter handle that situation? Could that have caused this issue?
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