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Old 05-12-2013, 06:47 PM   #99
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Doesn't anyone use battery boxes anymore? These metal and plastic straps will not contain a battery properly. The batteries need to be inside a battery box that is secured to the trailer, preferably outside.
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Old 05-12-2013, 07:02 PM   #100
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Doesn't anyone use battery boxes anymore? These metal and plastic straps will not contain a battery properly. The batteries need to be inside a battery box that is secured to the trailer, preferably outside.
Many more manufacturers use them than not?
For some reason though Parkliner is one that does not.....yet?
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:34 PM   #101
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...If they used the PD4045 it has a provision for gel cell charging that should have been set up by the Parkliner factory...
There have been a few mentions in this thread about "Gel" batteries...

And as an FYI...one thing to keep in mind when doodling with connections and such inside the Parkliner (My Parkliner #035 has Optima Blue Top AGM batteries.)...

AGM batteries _are not_ Gel batteries and should not be maintained/charged like them.
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I though Optima was a gel spiralcell battery design that`s a series of individual spiral-wound cells made up of two 99.99 %lead plates with a coating of lead oxide ? not fiberglass matt ? just asking
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I am still betting that as I said in my first post in this thread that the batteries were being hit with over voltage. None of these batteries, whether they be flooded cell, AGM or gel like to be hit with extremely high voltage.
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I am still betting that as I said in my first post in this thread that the batteries were being hit with over voltage. None of these batteries, whether they be flooded cell, AGM or gel like to be hit with extremely high voltage.
2X. I'd check the converter...
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2x. I'd check the converter...
me too 2 the motion
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There have been a few mentions in this thread about "Gel" batteries...

And as an FYI...one thing to keep in mind when doodling with connections and such inside the Parkliner (My Parkliner #035 has Optima Blue Top AGM batteries.)...

AGM batteries _are not_ Gel batteries and should not be maintained/charged like them.
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Then that leaves the question of: "Does Parkliner install and set up a battery charging system appropriate for AGM batteries?"
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Yeah I agree. Most likely the charger didn't stop pumping juice into the battery and it cooked them. Ive seen it happen with cheap charger's but like everything else in this world, things to fail.

Im sorry that it scared you but I don't think this is a ParkLiner "problem", its a charger problem that can happen to any brand.
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If we still had our ParkLiner (or any other vehicle with a battery in an enclosed area), we would put it in a battery box vented to the outside. While what happened in Mimi's ParkLiner is rare, it did happen! To quote (again) Jim McIlvaine, eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc., www.facebook.com/optimabatteries,
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Although people do it anyway, we would never recommend installing an unvented battery in any enclosed space, because there's a legitimate, albeit unlikely, safety risk involved.

For example, IF there is a voltage regulator failure, and IF the battery is severely overcharged, and IF this goes unnoticed, and IF the battery vents because the internal pressure exceeds the release pressure of the vents, the gasses are both flammable and toxic. This may sound like a lot of “ifs,” but attorneys and engineers get paid to plan for every worst-case scenario.
Here is a link to the sort of battery box that could be used: Vented Battery Box Large Colonial White - $27.26
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Doesn't anyone use battery boxes anymore? These metal and plastic straps will not contain a battery properly. The batteries need to be inside a battery box that is secured to the trailer, preferably outside.
Good point! For us, safety comes first!
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I'd recommend to the OP to have someone that understands electricity / electronics do some checks on the converter / charger and find a root cause. If you just replace the converter / charger and it is not compatible with the AGM batteries, you may have a repeat. There may even be another contributing factor, like a parasitic load that allowed the batteries to get too far discharged, resulting in a very rapid recharge rate when plugged in.
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I'd recommend to the OP to have someone that understands electricity / electronics do some checks on the converter / charger and find a root cause. If you just replace the converter / charger and it is not compatible with the AGM batteries, you may have a repeat. There may even be another contributing factor, like a parasitic load that allowed the batteries to get too far discharged, resulting in a very rapid recharge rate when plugged in.
I agree with Thom.
Furthermore, I suggest that at a minimum the batteries be contained inside a standard battery box with top. I blew up a sealed battery that was inside a battery box by overcharging. (my bad). The disposal and cleanup were not a problem since everything was contained inside the box. There's vents in the top and the box kept all the electrolyte from running all over my garage. I just simply took the battery in the battery box to the recyclers.
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storage safety tips.

There's lots of possible causes for the battery failure to happen. One is moisture inside the converter killing the over voltage protection circuit. Without getting my hands on the trailer and converter it's really difficult to say what happened. With that in mind here's a couple tips to prevent moisture damage to trailer and electronic equipment while in storage.

1. Make sure there's some sort of dehumidifying in side the trailer. I use Dri-Z-Air. It's passive and doesn't require any power.
2. Check on the trailer at least once a month while in storage. This includes making sure the dehumidifying stuff is still working and checking battery charge condition. There's small plug in devices that make this very easy.
3. Open areas where electronic equipment is located to encourage circulation. This will reduce condensation.
4. If possible a little heat is a good idea, though not necessary.
5. Use a battery maintainer of some kind to keep the battery or batteries topped off and desulfated. Less important with AGM batteries provided--
6. Make sure all 12 Volt stuff is off, including the fridge control. Keep the propane detector on.
7. Make sure the propane detector is one of the low current type. Mine is 38 mAmp, some are over a 100 mAmp or .1 amps.

In my Humble opinion I believe these things will reduce the possibility of major problems.
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