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Old 11-13-2005, 02:29 PM   #15
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As a result of recent Federal legislation, sworn peace officers nationally are now allowed to carry concealed weapons in any jurisdiction nation-wide with proper credentials. It's an excellent law, and one that was long-overdue. What's amazing is that Iowa has now determined that they, the "State of Iowa" no longer needs to issue those credentials, and it will be up to the local jurisdiction to provide their own.

Now the new question is since there is no longer a state-wide standard, how do I determine just by looking whether another officer from another jurisdiction IN the state of Iowa is legitimate or not without contacting the jurisdiction he claims to be from?

Your question, Maggie, is legitimate, and so Gina is your question... I'm afraid there are no answers.

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Old 11-13-2005, 03:14 PM   #16
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We recently had a local man arrested for the "false cop" scheme. He stopped young people, usually women, and sometimes engaged in petty larceny by "confiscating" various articles from the cars. I am aware of other problems in our region, which runs from highly urban to very rural. This is a greater problem than some may think and can pop up anywhere.

I am a state investigator. Part of my responsibility is to investigate economic frauds and schemes, such as home improvement, charity, and insurance. I occasionally lecture senior groups about schemes and frauds aimed at the elder population. I have developed a small chart on a postcard that I leave with the members of the groups I address. An entry on the chart for "Fraud at Your Door" instructs people to not open the door and immediately call 911 (or whatever the local police emergency number is). I tell people to request an officer to come to identify who the unknown person is going door to door in their commninity.

In the case of an "officer" at the door, the police dispatcher will certainly know if a real police officer is at that specific door.

Of course, one the other great door schemes is the "utility" employee who suddenly needs to get into your basement. We suffered a gang of transients pulling off home invasions this way. Don't open the door. Call the police. If it turns out to be legitimate, no harm, no foul. If it is an imposter, failing to take a simple precaution could be a disaster.

When you are on the road, if you are stopped at night, put on your four way emergency lights and drive slowly to a well lit, more public area. Keep your doors locked and your window only partially down. Insist on a full identification, with a picture and officer number. This may be a trying moment, but if you are not certain (especially if the car is unmarked and does not have overhead warning lights) take these precautions. A good police officer will understand.

By the way, I carry a relatively inexpensive scanner with which I can monitor most jurisdictions. A scanner is both "entertaining" and informative. Good to have on trips, too, for exacting weather reports and road conditions. On two occasions so far, I was able to pull into the breakdown lane when I knew a high speed pursuit was coming up behind me on the Interestate. It helps some on road closures and backups, too, but the old CB seems better suited for that.

Stay safe.
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:55 PM   #17
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Maggie, one more thing occurred to me. If I were you, I would STILL call the local's and tell them about this situation.

1.) If the guy were a fake, they sure as heck need to know.

2.) If he were real, I think they would also like to know in case the guy did not follow stated policy.

In any event, I think you should call and report it.

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Old 11-13-2005, 09:52 PM   #18
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Old 11-28-2005, 03:48 PM   #19
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This is not correct!
"Maggie... and all...
first, local cops don't have a whit more authority under all of the homeland security acts than they did without them. the hoopla is over what the feds can do without a warrant. that's a whole different ballgame."
It's a sure thing that most Americans believed that Homeland Security and the Patriot Act were initiated in the best interest of citizens. Believe it or not, every policeman, sherriff, government security people and even some industrial security personel were given the right to use lethal force for the least of reasons, and not be questioned! This has already happened in some cases, and even the killing of one of their own because he had a gun and wasn't in uniform. Common sense and justice can not always be at the exit end of a weapon or we are all in trouble!
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:09 PM   #20
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I think there's a big difference between a blue uniform and a badge - the uniform could be obtained (with some difficulty) by anyone, while the badges are uniquely numbered (I assume in most places). I would be inclined to call the police dispatcher and ask if an officer of that badge number should be at my door. On the other hand, if this is a real cop, do you want to challenge him? "Uncooperative" and "troublemaker" are not labels I want with my name in the local police station; while Roger would understand the caution, others may be less tolerant.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:33 PM   #21
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while the badges are uniquely numbered (I assume in most places).
Not in Portland, OR...ours say "Officer." When someone requests an officers badge number, what they really want is the Oregon State Bureau of Police Standards and Training Number.

Thankfully, eBay refuses auctions for any police badge that may be in current use (collectors badges are few and far between), they carefully check any auction for any badge of "normal" size, mostly you'll see patches and tie-tacks up on auction.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:03 PM   #22
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This is not correct!
"Maggie... and all...
first, local cops don't have a whit more authority under all of the homeland security acts than they did without them. the hoopla is over what the feds can do without a warrant. that's a whole different ballgame."
It's a sure thing that most Americans believed that Homeland Security and the Patriot Act were initiated in the best interest of citizens. Believe it or not, every policeman, sherriff, government security people and even some industrial security personel were given the right to use lethal force for the least of reasons, and not be questioned! This has already happened in some cases, and even the killing of one of their own because he had a gun and wasn't in uniform. Common sense and justice can not always be at the exit end of a weapon or we are all in trouble!
Sorry Renee, but I believe you may be misinformed. I don't intend to start a political discussion here, but suffice it to say that local law enforcement was not in the mind of Congress when the Patriot Act was passed, and it did NOT include the right for your local gendarmes to use lethal force at whim. That has not changed. The Patriot Act is so voluminous and convoluted that no one, even four years later, really has a handle on all of it, but it has primarily to do with intelligence gathering capabilities and what's required as burden of proof for probable cause to obtain information that used to require a search warrant and now only requires the signature of the U.S. Attorney General. That's why the Senate is in discussions regarding how much is appropriate to keep and how much needs to go.

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Old 11-28-2005, 07:28 PM   #23
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I would have called the department, and still would to confirm it to make sure there are no imposters!
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:33 PM   #24
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Maggie, I am so glad that you did not escort this person to any place. It all sounds so odd to me. Why, I can't imagine any police officer wouldn't just go the the tracks and follow it. Why on earth would he have to ask you where the tracks are anyway?

You are absolutely right in asking for his identification and I absolutely think you should call your sheriffs office or police department, tell them what happened and see if they had a staff person in your area that night. I would also ask for that person's supervisor and inform them that this person refused to show you any ID. You should also rethink about opening the door to anyone until you see ID's.

I know of a young woman who was pulled over by a phony cop and was raped.

You must be careful and protect yourself. This may all be innocent, but, again, it mayn't not.
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By the way, I carry a relatively inexpensive scanner with which I can monitor most jurisdictions. A scanner is both "entertaining" and informative. Good to have on trips, too, for exacting weather reports and road conditions. On two occasions so far, I was able to pull into the breakdown lane when I knew a high speed pursuit was coming up behind me on the Interestate. It helps some on road closures and backups, too, but the old CB seems better suited for that.
A note of caution; In our state, you need permission to carry a scanner in the car. There are required forms. It's not universally allowed in all states. (I'm not talking about transporting it home after purchase, although even that causes problems.)
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