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Old 04-20-2015, 05:38 PM   #15
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I've never noticed a comment about anti=sway in the Odyssey manual but I'll look carefully, of course our's is a 2014 and things change.

We've had two emergency situations and I believe the anti-sway bar helped in both. Neither was a swaying trailer situation.

As to anti-sway bar instructions, we've never purchased one new so I don't know what they tell you. We have used one in the rain for 14 years but I'll look it up..

I looked it up but I'm not sure why slippery road surfaces are a problem...any reasons from anyone????
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I'm an anti-sway bar user.

I agree it should not be used to solve a regular sway problem.
Not a sway bar but for extra insurance we have a WDH with built in sway control. Works great. Note our trailer is heavier than our car and never have we had a sway issue. Straight as an arrow even with 40 MPH cross winds.
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I looked it up but I'm not sure why slippery road surfaces are a problem...any reasons from anyone????
Friction anti-sway device use in rain or wet roads

The gist of the matter is that you don't want the amount of friction of the anti-sway bar to exceed the amount of traction the tires have on the road.
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Anti-sway bar and Odyssey

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My 2003 Odyssey Owner's Manual states that anti-sway control is required by Honda when towing any trailer over 2000 lbs. .
I read the towing section of the Odyssey manual again and it states that an anti-sway device is allowed. There is no requirement to use one at any trailer weight.
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My 2003 Odyssey Owner's Manual states that anti-sway control is required by Honda when towing any trailer over 2000 lbs.
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I've never noticed a comment about anti=sway in the Odyssey manual but I'll look carefully, of course our's is a 2014 and things change.
I'm sure Honda has learned a thing or two in 11 years.
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Friction anti-sway device use in rain or wet roads

The gist of the matter is that you don't want the amount of friction of the anti-sway bar to exceed the amount of traction the tires have on the road.
Yes. With any friction control it firms up the connection between car and trailer. If you were on a wet surface and had to make a turn the friction control will want to keep the car going straight. We are now depending on tire grip to stay in the radius of the turn.

That is why the superior design of the Hensley and Pro pride hitches lock out sway by not using friction.
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The Hensley hitch that is mentioned in the link that Frederick posted
Woodalls Open Roads Forum: Friction anti-sway device use in rain or wet roads
is very interesting. It puts the virtual point of connection (center of turning) forward, somewhere close to the rear axle. That makes it a little like a 5th wheel hookup. No friction is needed here. It is accomplished with a four-bar linkage, at the expense of putting different, and higher, forces on the frame of the TV. The pivots of the four-bar linkage must have some good bearings. I bet it costs a good bit more than the friction sway bars.
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Not a sway bar but for extra insurance we have a WDH with built in sway control. Works great. Note our trailer is heavier than our car and never have we had a sway issue. Straight as an arrow even with 40 MPH cross winds.

WDH hitches are not NOT recommend for light fiberglass trailers. Probably needed for heavy Airstream trailers.
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Just towed my MG from Utah to Nevada on a 6 x 12 trailer. Loaded it, made sure enough weight was in front of the trailer axle, lots of tie downs(probably more than necessary), didn't drive anywhere near the speed limit of 80, and had no problems. I've seen too many times towing done wrong and don't want to be the idiot!
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WDH hitches are not NOT recommend for light fiberglass trailers. Probably needed for heavy Airstream trailers.
Also not recommend for use by various auto manufactures and models.
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To stop and/or control sway once it starts, first there's some lever or switch on the brake controller that will allow you to just apply braking power to the trailer. That's the first step. No tow vehicle brakes, just trailer brakes.
The above is one item that a lot of folks new to towing are not aware off - use the trailer brakes only not the tugs is your best approach to stopping sway. Another reason for picking the location the brake controller is mounted carefully. You want to be able to reach the lever easily and not have to take your eyes off the road while trying to find it.

Often the first instinct of those new to towing is to hit the tugs brakes or hit the gas to try and pull the trailer out of the sway situation.... neither of which is a good idea.
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WDH hitches are not NOT recommend for light fiberglass trailers. Probably needed for heavy Airstream trailers.
I question blanket statements when discussing TV/trailer connections.

I am aware of many fiberglass TV/fiberglass combinations that are using a WDH and the owners are reaping the benefits.

This Reese 350 mini for example is made for smaller trailers like many glass eggs.

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Probably needed for heavy Airstream trailers.
Yes but some vintage, smaller Airstreams are as light as 2,000lbs and use a WDH. Some glass trailers like the dual axle Bigfoots are well over 5,000lbs and use a WDH. Every combo is different and needs to be treated appropriately.
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All this means that care and deliberation is in in order when deciding what to tow with what and how to connect those two. Manufacturers' specs and recommendations are sometimes incomplete at best and misleading at worst. What seems to be the same vehicle may have subtle differences depending on where they are made and what market they are sold in. It is good that somebody is trying to develop universal towing standards (as Carol H pointed out a few times), but those often end up too complex, restricting, or simply never get finished; I have low expectations here. In terms of towing, this forum is a nice, conservative group and there is one advice that all seem to agree on: Don't do anything stupid, think before you do.

A User's Manual example: "Tacoma does not recommend 5th wheel towing." - I am paraphrasing the text of the manual. As expected, there is no explanation, reason, nothing. Is it weight? wheelbase? track width? engine power? transmission limitations? frame design? what am I missing? Yet, small 5th wheels are towed with small/medium trucks all over the place.

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If Byron was doing between 55-60 then the truck and trailer were more than likely doing overb70


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