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Old 04-21-2015, 06:15 PM   #43
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The difference in the rear of the European and US Jetta (Golf everywhere else) Sportwagen is the bar (steel) that goes across the rear with a rubber bumper between it and the bumper cover is replaced with steel bar with the hitch on it and a rubber bumper between the bar and the bumper cover

Here is the stock bar:



Here is what the hitch looks like:

The original pad is trimmed a little to go back in the original position. The hitch has bars that go forward into the "frame rails beside the trunk and tie into the unibody in this manner.

Finished it looks like this:



If you wonder if VW is serious about trailers then take a look at this video:



Of course VW USA is not serious about towing except with the Touareg or Tiguan,
The rest of the world (ROW) tows with no problems. In Europe all towbars must be tested and approved etc.
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:16 PM   #44
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I thought all SUbarus had front wheel drive..is that not true?
Nope. Like Glenn my first Subaru was a GL in the mid 80's and it was 4 wheel drive on demand.

The Outback, Forester, Baja, Tribeca have always had Subaru's Symmetrical all wheel drive system as does the newer Crossteck. They did offer the Impreza at one time in both all wheel or front wheel drive but I am not sure you can get a front wheel drive anymore.

The BRZ if I am not mistaken is the only Subaru that is not full time all wheel drive and its a rear wheel drive.
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:20 PM   #45
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The difference in the rear of the European and US Jetta (Golf everywhere else) Sportwagen is the bar (steel) that goes across the rear with a rubber bumper between it and the bumper cover is replaced with steel bar with the hitch on it and a rubber bumper between the bar and the bumper cover
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Actually since they have started building the Jetta's/Golfs in Mexico there is more than that different in the rear ends of the cars. There was actually a video interview posted here a couple of years ago in which a VW rep acknowledge it. North American's like a softer ride.
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:27 PM   #46
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Wow! No less? Must need ballast to get to the correct weight.
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Old 04-21-2015, 07:18 PM   #47
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These systems are required in Europe and are now coming into the US and should be required here as well!
I'm all for folks having safer towing setups but not a huge fan of lots of "required" safety equipment. Can't fix poor decision making of driver with technology. Technology is a tool, letting people examine the situation and select the tool that works is probably going to have better outcomes than having required technology.

I'm betting that no matter how good the technology is there are those that will be able to overcome it with a massive dose of being stupid. Even the simple safety chain can be defeated by those that don't hook them up. If on the other hand folks really like something the manufacturers will start including it. Think air bags and cruise control.

Simple solutions can easily get you to 80% of max safety the other 20% depends on the person. Trying to get that 20% with technology just makes for expensive vehicles and repairs. Properly loaded and towed sway should NOT be an issue. Requiring one to purchase enhanced safety built in is sort of like making us all pay to have breathalyzer ignition lock outs in our cars.

Bummer about the Willys Jeep getting smacked like that. The driver on the other hand earned getting scared half to death. Just glad they did not cause an accident for the other drivers on the road.
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Old 04-21-2015, 07:51 PM   #48
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I thought all SUbarus had front wheel drive..is that not true?
All Subarus, all of them, for well over a decade are AWD. The most advanced of these systems distribute drive transparently to any and all wheels where ever its needed, side to side and diagonally.
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Old 04-21-2015, 08:01 PM   #49
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I think that my point was that airbags do not redistribute weight and that a WDH does.
I don't think Subaru's drive system is relevant to that discussion.
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I think that my point was that airbags do not redistribute weight and that a WDH does.
I don't think Subaru's drive system is relevant to that discussion.
Not sure it isn't. They also state that WDH systems are not recommended for use on there Outbacks in the manual - believe the Foresters reads the same - not sure about other models. When I enquired of Subaru's head office as to why that was, I was told there was concern that the redistribution of weight may interfere with the handling of the vehicle due to the All Wheel Drive system they use.
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At least you got an answer from Subaru. I've been trying to get Toyota to give me an answer to no avail.
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:07 AM   #52
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At least you got an answer from Subaru. I've been trying to get Toyota to give me an answer to no avail.
I wish I knew the reasons Toyota has for discouraging 5th wheel towing with the Tacoma, but I have not tried to pry it out of them. I just do it, like some of the other users here.
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:12 AM   #53
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My point on the airbags is not that they distribute weight, but rather the tests show that the use to level the car gave much the same improvement in towing stability as the WDH.
Testing showed that the airbag equipped car was approximately 1/2 way in stability between the unmodified car and the WDH.
It also will correct the aiming of the headlights.
As to the suspension differences in the Mexican and ROW VWs the spring might be different, but there are towing springs available for the VW wagon as well.
Others experience may vary, but my Sportwagen tows quite well and is very stable when the trailer is correctly setup.
Mt own thought is that a well behaved car with trailer is better than a car with poor handling when towing the same trailer.
Many CUVs and trucks handle miserably compared the the JSW and continue to be pretty miserable towing as well.
Connie (SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED) and I looked to freshen up the vehicles we drive and tried almost all of them and found them lacking in power and handling compared with our 2009 JSW with 234,000 miles. We ended up buying another 2013 JSW with 30,000 miles. I have ordered the towbar and electrical wiring kit from Germany for it.
One limitation as mentioned above is on slick roads stopped on a hill the car has enough power to spin the front wheels, but the stability system handles that by stopping the spinning wheel making it a non event. This is not so much a traction problem as putting too much power down for the conditions. When this happened I let the car idle and it accelerated from a stand still through 3rd gear with no problem.
Not s much to argue with Carol H. but I think that VW US has a different agenda on towing that is not shared with VW ROW. One issue with the factory towbar setup is the 5 MPH bumpers which go away with that setup. ranted there is very little difference, but it has not been tested. Also the towbar does not have the factory provisions for two chains since the Euro setup is different using a breakaway system instead. Also there are no provisions for electric brake controllers and this has to be added (like many cars). However the trailer module has programming for the North American market. This module tells the caar there is a trailer attached and modifies the programming of the ESP, transmission, cooling, and engine to account for it.
I am posting the setup of my new car on the TDI forum along with purchasing information if anyone is interested.
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Hit the gas to pull it out? or no?

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Often the first instinct of those new to towing is to hit the tugs brakes or hit the gas to try and pull the trailer out of the sway situation.... neither of which is a good idea.
Wait, Carol, earlier in this we were told that hitting the gas to pull a trailer out of a sway was a good idea. I don't have trailer brakes. (My axle won't take them. My trailer packed is 1,700 lbs.) But you say it's NOT a good idea.
Should I hit the gas to pull my trailer out of a sway or not? Sometimes I get swaying not from the setup's fault, but just from my stupid driving.
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With some enthusiastic driving on a gravel road, I found my tent trailer coming up alongside of my Subaru. I hit the gas and managed to pass it. And then, I gently slowed down.
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Darn if you do and darn if you don't. That is the best answer.
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