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Old 07-26-2015, 09:44 PM   #15
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Changing from a bathroom to a porta-potty is a sea change in selections of 13' FGRV's
But where do you put it to use it?! I'd prefer a black water tank to one of those "gas tank" things... but I gotta explore all the options.

And I do need a hot water supply that I can use outdoors...

BUt supposin' I went for that sea change....what could I look at?
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:58 PM   #16
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13' ers from Scamp, BigFoot, any of the orphaned 13' Eggs, Trillium, take a look in the Real World Weights listing in the General Chat forum and see what they weighed. Look at the axle weights and use 10-12% of that number for a viable tongue weight. Axle weight + tongue = total weight. Here's a link:
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Porta potties usually have the tank as a part of the base. The Dometic Sea-Land is very nice, easy to empty and has a 5 gallon tank.
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Old 07-26-2015, 11:52 PM   #17
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Hey, you know what?! The 16' Scamp has a lower hitch weight than the 13'...probably because the axle is more centered on the chassis.... It has a TW of 165lbs...but I don;t know if adding the bath and shower in the standard option package changes that.... I'll go look to the charts.
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:09 AM   #18
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According to that chart there is practically nothing in production under 200lbs TW.
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:31 AM   #19
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Hey, you know what?! The 16' Scamp has a lower hitch weight than the 13'...probably because the axle is more centered on the chassis.... It has a TW of 165lbs...but I don;t know if adding the bath and shower in the standard option package changes that.... I'll go look to the charts.
Adding the bath WILL put it way over your TW. After reading all your posts and wants there is really only one way for you to get what you're asking for. A different tow vehicle rated to handle trailers that will fit your wants. You can spend a lot of time trying to get ten pounds of rock candy in a five pound box. If a new tug isn't doable, maybe look into 23'-25' class C motorhomes for your dog shows. They will have everything you're asking for. Just saying.
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:46 AM   #20
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The process just starting! Motor homes are a big element at shows... Thanks for looking at my posts!
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:24 AM   #21
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Some of the numbers in the weight chart may be misleading.The 16' Scamps factory weight is 1750-2000 lbs. with a TW of 185/200, the Scamp 13' weight is 1200-1500, with a claimed tongue weight of only 100, but that latter number is never seen. Anyway, with a minimum of 500 additional lbs. the 16' will have a tw. over your limit.
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Just a thought, and often repeated, but here goes: I think it's better to get a trailer that suits you, and meets your camping needs, rather than try to find one that works with your current tow. Tows change alot. For most people, trailers usually don't.
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Old 07-27-2015, 10:45 AM   #23
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Well put, good advice, totally agree

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...I think it's better to get a trailer that suits you, and meets your camping needs, rather than try to find one that works with your current tow...
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:18 PM   #24
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Hey guys...we're talking about my Volvo here... OUt of my cold dead hands!!! I'm not giving up yet!
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Old 07-27-2015, 01:12 PM   #25
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You CANNOT go by Scamp's figures on weights OR tongue weights. My Scamp from the factory's tongue weight was 225 lbs! I've since removed my propane and havent re-weighed it.

Ok...here's my question: What is the actual TOW CAPACITY of that Volvo? What capacity does it list it for??
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Old 07-27-2015, 01:57 PM   #26
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Edmunds lists the max towing capacity of that Volvo (for 2015 model) at 3500 lbs. It's hard for me to picture the hitch weight being limited to such a low number. You might want to check into this. Even Subarus with their soft rear suspension allow 200 lbs on the hitch.

If it really, truly is 165 lbs, then I'd next ask the service department what the limiting factor is, in arriving at that low number. It might be something that can be modified, such as different rear struts or springs, a custom receiver that attaches more securely to the underside, etc. 165/3500 is only about 4% ratio, and that seems low even by Euro standards. (In NA, 10%-15% hitch weight to trailer weight is very common).
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:28 PM   #27
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3300-3500lbs. PLUS every one, and Ellpea can verify as well, who knows Volvos says they are good tow vehicles. When I go to the dealer to have my hitch installed I'll ask them. It seems so strange.
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Please Know that I will l look at every suggestion you all offer!

The new T@B has a wet bath and a shower that can be used in there or outside. I'll have to look at them. Thanks for that info, Rob. I really like the Oliver and the Escape...but that TW....

MY Volvo is a 6 cyl Turbo with 300hp and 325lb torque per foot...if that's useful!
Yup! Our Nissan Van, 150HP / 180lb TQ had no problems towing our 23'.

The unrealistic tongue weigh numbers are, lets just say, highly suspect for one of the toughest, well made vehicles on the planet.
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