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Old 07-27-2015, 09:33 PM   #43
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Its illegal for them to do so and the police do check.
That is a crime in itself. Police are now the local towing experts. Whats the world coming to.
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Wow, page 3 contains 14 posts and 6 of those are from one person.

I looked at the manual in the link. It lists max trailer hitch weight of 400 lbs, although this figure is reduced as more weight is added to the 2nd and (most especially) 3rd row areas of the vehicle. If this table of info is valid for the model year Elizabeth owns, it should be possible to tow most of the FG eggs. The 17' Casita with front bath is likely out of range, but most others can be kept under 300 lb hitch weight.
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:47 PM   #45
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And there is a group in VA that is actively campaigning to get that sort of law/enforcement in the USofA.


But, then again, Volvo is no longer your Grandfathers Volvo. It's still great, but not head and shoulders above everyone else on the road in safety and reliability as it was in the 544/122/145 Daze.
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Old 07-27-2015, 10:03 PM   #46
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You CANNOT go by Scamp's figures on weights OR tongue weights. My Scamp from the factory's tongue weight was 225 lbs! I've since removed my propane and havent re-weighed it.

Ok...here's my question: What is the actual TOW CAPACITY of that Volvo? What capacity does it list it for??
A full 20#propane tank weighs 38#... empty is 18#.
I think Scamps weights are good estimates, the tongue weight would be accurate as well without the front bath. Yours is of course a front bath and you weighed it empty without any water behind the axle, right?

You do mean to ask "TOW RATING" of that Volvo don't you?
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That is a crime in itself. Police are now the local towing experts. Whats the world coming to.
Actually the police do not set the rules they just enforce them. In Europe hitches are made for each specific vehicle and are stamped accordingly - with a capacity rating that matches the one set by the auto manufacturer. So the police have no need to be so called towing experts ;-)

To make it even easier for the law to be enforced the vehicle itself also has a visible tag on it showing its manufactures towing specs.

From AA http://www.theaa.com/index.html
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"B]Tow brackets[/B]
Tow brackets must be tested to the appropriate British or European standard and use mounting points recommended by the vehicle manufacturer.

Cars registered since 1 August 1998 must only be fitted with a 'type approved' bracket tested to European Directive 94/20/EC. The bracket will have a label, plate, or stamping detailing the type approval number and the vehicle for which it is an approved fitment.

Some vehicles are not rated for towing by the vehicle manufacturer – no gross train weight will be shown on the VIN plate – and are not able to have a towbar fitted. An example is the Ford KA which has no declared train weight, and no mounting points for a tow bar."

So basically your friends at Can-Am would be not doing any custom hitch work if they were in Europe
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That is a crime in itself. Police are now the local towing experts. Whats the world coming to.
It would be left to the government and the manufacturers to determine & specify safe towing limits for vehicles, all the police have to do is enforce those specifications.

And as mentioned, Europe has been doing that for years, and Caravan Camping is a booming business.

I think that Germany has the tightest driving rules in the Euro Zone and, from my own experience, as a group, they also have the best drivers.
If interested, follow this link, read the story and click on "Driving" to the left.
How To Germany - DUI - Not a Good Thing
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Wow, page 3 contains 14 posts and 6 of those are from one person.

I looked at the manual in the link. It lists max trailer hitch weight of 400 lbs, although this figure is reduced as more weight is added to the 2nd and (most especially) 3rd row areas of the vehicle. If this table of info is valid for the model year Elizabeth owns, it should be possible to tow most of the FG eggs. The 17' Casita with front bath is likely out of range, but most others can be kept under 300 lb hitch weight.
Mike if I am not mistaken the links to the manual posted are for the XC90 that Wayne posted the photo of. Elizabeth owns an XC70 - smaller vehicle with a lower tow spec.
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That is an XC60. It is the smaller SUV.
There is a BRAND new, gorgeous XC90 that won;t be delivered until the fall...the first edition sold out. I have an XC70...and a story to tell y'all about my trip to my dealer today....
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And there is a group in VA that is actively campaigning to get that sort of law/enforcement in the USofA.


But, then again, Volvo is no longer your Grandfathers Volvo. It's still great, but not head and shoulders above everyone else on the road in safety and reliability as it was in the 544/122/145 Daze.
Congers up a vision of a world of sheeple, eschewing responsibility in favor of guidance from superiors with crooks and shears in hand.

A little government, like salt, preserves and adds flavor, too much and you get high blood pressure and a fowl taste in your mouth.
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I went in to schedule my tow package and, of course, asked the burning questions. The Service Manager came over and joined in. He has horses and does A LOT of towing. (not with a VOlvo) He told me to get a WDH and I can tow up to 3500.... but wouldn't sign that.... (--as Bob predicted--). He said I would be fine and that my car was a sturdy strong workhorse. And no they didn't know why that 165lbs was on the books. We're going to call Volvo.
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That is an XC60. It is the smaller SUV.
There is a BRAND new, gorgeous XC90 that won;t be delivered until the fall...the first edition sold out. I have an XC70...and a story to tell y'all about my trip to my dealer today....
Tell tell!!

I though the XC90 had been made available in Europe earlier this year? No?
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Well, as everyone hereabouts knows, the other two people I always suggest to check with before towing over manufactures limits are your insurance agent and your attorney, as you may be opening a huge liability door.
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Hey guys...we're talking about my Volvo here... OUt of my cold dead hands!!! I'm not giving up yet!
You tell 'em, girl!

If you can manage w/o a bath, many 13'rs will fit your needs. My LilBigfoot weighed 1300 as we towed it home, and the tongue weight was around 130 lbs.

And yes, I did shop for a trailer to go with my car. We Volvo girls are just like that.

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And no they didn't know why that 165lbs was on the books. We're going to call Volvo.
Good luck with that. Took me six years to get an explanation from Toyota as to why they "do not recommend a WDH".
The explanation basically was that they don't have a relationship with a WDH manufacturer and don't test them so they can't recommend one. Not the same as saying DO NOT use a WDH.
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