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Old 07-28-2015, 01:39 PM   #71
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I'm betting there was no such thing as Kindergarten when you were 5!

Being a Lawyer is like being a Doctor, you don't get internal medicine advice from a psychologist, and you don't take a real estate lawyer to criminal court!

Are you saying that a WDH is needed to tow a T@B?
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Nope, they didn't have kindergarten in my town until I was 8 and already in highschool....LOL

Finishing law school does not make you a lawyer, there is a little thing like the Bar Exam which in CA has a very high first time failure rate, not to mention those that just give up after the third try and go into something else.

And NO, I'm not even suggesting that a WDH is needed to tow an egg, just that when towing anything with a mid 1960's Ford Galaxy that you needed all the help you could get. LOL
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:52 PM   #72
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Numbers???

[QUOTE=Mike Magee;537996]With a US population of 318,000,000 that's rare. But if you can produce a list of 100 such cases (still only a ratio of 1:3,180,000) I'll be impressed.

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I think that the ratio would only apply to the number of RV's being towed, not to the actual count of every many woman and child in the United States.

In that case 100 examples in, say a 3 year period, would be considered a huge number.

But, as was mentioned before by a practicing atty, who did do some research, most of those cases never make it to court and won't show up anyway.

Every one can take their own chances, but it is important that everyone know the several sides to an argument and right now the Gang of Five, that is, those that advocate ignoring manufacturers towing ratings, seems to reside in the minority.
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Old 07-28-2015, 02:14 PM   #73
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Carol, I don't know about in Europe....but the 2016 XC90 was a HUGE launch. The CHinese owners basically have given Volvo a blank check to do whatever they want...and the first manifestation is the new 90. Google Volvo cars and look at it. It's gorgeous. It is the opposite of what happened to Saab....where they basically starved them out.
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Every one can take their own chances, but it is important that everyone know the several sides to an argument and right now the Gang of Five, that is, those that advocate ignoring manufacturers towing ratings, seems to reside in the minority.
That's called a "bandwagon" appeal. "Everyone else is on this side, so you should be on this side, too." I never claimed to be a lawyer, just a law school graduate, but law school does teach one to recognize faulty arguments like the bandwagon appeal. And since we have no stats on the alleged cases that don't go to trial, their frequency is entirely conjectural and therefore immaterial.

Carol, you're right, every mfr is different on how they view WDH use. My new-to-me Lexus' manual surprised me. It says I can have 650 lbs on the hitch if no WDH is used, or 975 lbs (!!) if WDH is used. Total max trailer weight 6500. And they recommend a WDH for any trailer over 2000 lbs. Looking at the factory hitch receiver, I would never dare to put more than about 700 lbs on it in any case; it just doesn't look sturdy enough to me, and my Highlander's aftermarket receiver looks far tougher.
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OK. My feeling is, if the Service Manager says that...then I can go a LITTLE over TW nd be OK. I'm not talking about hitching The V up to an Airstream (although I wouldn't complain.)
The problem now is that I just read that you can't USE a WDH with a Volvo hitch...because it is a CLass II setup and a WDH needs III. (PLease don;t laugh at me if I got those CLass #s wrong!)
GOOD Lord...why is thos so freaking complicated!!! It's nuts!
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Carol, I don't know about in Europe....but the 2016 XC90 was a HUGE launch. The CHinese owners basically have given Volvo a blank check to do whatever they want...and the first manifestation is the new 90. Google Volvo cars and look at it. It's gorgeous. It is the opposite of what happened to Saab....where they basically starved them out.
I saw that and added it to my possible next tow vehicle list

The Europeans often get all the cool toys a year or two ahead of us with way more bells and whistles than we get, which is why I asked.
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I'm to the point of being so saturated with info that I can't quite remember the answers to all of my questions. But I DO think I remember reading that the Volvos should NOT have a WDH! We did have a discussion here about this, but I haven't figured out how to go back and find it. At any rate, I'm kind of surprised the Service Manager would recommend this, but not surprised he wouldn't "sign that"!

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There you go. I remember reading that too. What does your new BF weigh? Bath?
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My new-to-me Lexus' manual surprised me. It says I can have 650 lbs on the hitch if no WDH is used, or 975 lbs (!!) if WDH is used. Total max trailer weight 6500. And they recommend a WDH for any trailer over 2000 lbs. Looking at the factory hitch receiver, I would never dare to put more than about 700 lbs on it in any case; it just doesn't look sturdy enough to me, and my Highlander's aftermarket receiver looks far tougher.
Do you realize how absurd this sounds to someone who has a half ton truck they use for towing, that a Lexus has twice the tongue weight capability a few lbs as a truck built on a frame. I don't know if we have helped the OP or not on their quest for a TV and camper combo, but when I see things like this it leaves one scratching their head. Mike I am not directing this at you, knowing you're just the messenger quoting your owners manual, but still. Wow.
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GOOD Lord...why is thos so freaking complicated!!! It's nuts!
etrailer.com is an excellent source of information.
You should be able to plug in make, model and year and etrailer will come up with the hitch receivers ( if any ) that are suitable for WDH.
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OK.
The problem now is that I just read that you can't USE a WDH with a Volvo hitch...because it is a CLass II setup and a WDH needs III. (PLease don;t laugh at me if I got those CLass #s wrong!)
GOOD Lord...why is thos so freaking complicated!!! It's nuts!
I was actually thinking about the Class of hitch Volvo would be putting on the car this morning.... figured they would put a Class II on, as it is very safe/capable for use on a trailer with your vehicle providing it is within Volvo's towing specs.

Your correct no way to add a WDH to a class II. Even if it was a Class III hitch you would need to be specific as to the need for it to have the capability of adding WDH as not all of them come that way. Either way I suspect any of the hitches that Volvo makes for their cars has no WDH capability.

As Floyd rightly pointed out a WDH is not needed to get a stable and safe tow for any of the 16' and under fiberglass trailers out there. Simple put a WDH will simple shift weight on the vehicle and will not change the fact the trailers tongue weight is still over the cars manufactures specs.
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Plus the fact that just using a WDH will add another 50-60 lbs to the tongue weight.... Catch-22 anyone?
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What some folks don't seem to understand is, the WDH reduces tongue weight once it is attached to the vehicle.

IE... Our trailer's tongue weight is about 650lbs.

When it is a connected to the car, by the action of the WDH, it is only placing about 300+lbs on the rear of the vehicle. Simply put it redistributes a portion of the tongue weight to the front wheels of the TV and back to the trailer axles.

The catch is to be sure the vehicles receiver is capable of handling the stresses of the action of the WDH. Note even many full size pickups come with weak factory receivers that will flex when a WDH is used.
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OK. My feeling is, if the Service Manager says that...then I can go a LITTLE over TW nd be OK. I'm not talking about hitching The V up to an Airstream (although I wouldn't complain.)
The problem now is that I just read that you can't USE a WDH with a Volvo hitch...because it is a CLass II setup and a WDH needs III. (PLease don;t laugh at me if I got those CLass #s wrong!)
GOOD Lord...why is thos so freaking complicated!!! It's nuts!
THAT'S right. It has to do with the Class II setup. Couldn't remember the reason why, but knew I'd read it. Where did you see this info? (I did a lot of digging in the Volvo forums...)

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There you go. I remember reading that too. What does your new BF weigh? Bath?
1300 lbs empty (we weighed it on the way home). I'm not sure yet about a tongue weight.

There is no bath, but there is a lovely new porta potty inside a cabinet by the door. Not sure how I feel about having one of these inside... but I guess it's there if we need it!
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