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Old 09-03-2014, 08:19 AM   #57
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Hmmmm.....

The "Self-contained Rule" is necessary at certain California State Beach sites because, other than limited capacity portables, there are NO (None, Nada) restrooms at those sites. In the case of Silver Strand, the dump station is somewhat of a luxury.

In a chat with a camp host, it was indicated that about 1/3 of the smaller trailers/vans/motorhomes claiming to be self-contained, actually weren't. Policy at that site was to allow a single nights stay and ask them to either correct the problem, usually by getting a grey water tote and a connecting hose, or they would have to leave.

Silver Strand is an incredibly beautiful beach, favored by families from all over the San Diego area. Past examples of campers tossing buckets of gray & even black water, and relieving themselves, on the sand close to camping sites led to the need for the equipment inspections.

While there are restrooms for day users of the Silver Strand beach to the south of the campground, that is over 1/3 of a mile from many of the overnight sites.

Bottom Line: It may cost a few extra $$$ to have 'Sanitation Inspectors", but it would cost a lot more if we didn't have them. Or, as was an earlier rule, smaller RV's (and almost all FGRV's) wouldn't be allowed to use the facility.
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Old 09-03-2014, 09:26 AM   #58
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Apparently there was a fuss a few years back, because that was limiting stays to larger motorhomes and trailers and rejecting smaller trailers and pop-up tent trailers because of a lack of integrated holding tanks. Apparently they modified that to allow porta-potties and gray holding tanks that were "Plumbed" to the RV. (not an open bucket).
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In the RV world are there many composting toilets? The obvious next question is how do the "authorities" deal with that. I'm told that in the boating world some regulators treat them fairly. Apparently though there are some locales that still demand that live-aboards pump out their holding tanks weekly to insure that folks aren't dumping into the water. With a composting toilet that is, shall we say, difficult.
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Old 09-03-2014, 09:48 AM   #59
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To Loo or not to Loo....

[QUOTE=minke;480870]In the RV world are there many composting toilets?

If composting toilets accounted for .5% of the total in RV's I would be very surprised. And, because the liquid container still has to be emptied, it might raise some eyebrows if they are "Self Contained" at California State Beaches that have that requirement.

A basic question might be "Can you drive off with the liquid container 75% full without risking spillage?"

The Dometic SeaLand porta-potty that I use comes with the necessary plumbing for pumping out, as well as for just dumping the holding tank.
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:18 AM   #60
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Discrimination, when it is based on sound, unbiased judgment and concrete evidence of character, is a good thing. Problem is that it can be easily colored by other things, like race, appearance, language,... If the four carpenters happened to be Spanish-speaking, for example, someone in the same position today might make a different call. Please understand, Paul, I am not making any presumptions about what you, personally, would do. But I suspect that's why rules tend to be more rigidly enforced: fear of litigation. Small family campgrounds may still fly under the radar, but large, corporate-owned resorts are much bigger targets.

It is unfortunate that in reining in bad forms of discrimination, we have also limited our ability to exercise the good kind.
Good point. The good kind that you refer to, I prefer to call discernment. It is sort of interesting to me that the boss was of an ethnic group that also gets some blanket-discrimination, yet, you are correct - he was not too happy to have Hispanic guests in his park. He always claimed that it wasn't HIS prejudice -- he just didn't want to upset his other guests. mmhmm... I let quite a few of those good folks in anyway, because ... they were good folks. Never seemed to upset anybody but him.

In my perspective as the guy who dealt directly with the guests, some of the nicest folks traveled in small, older rigs, and some of the biggest problems (which were actually few and far between) traveled in the big ones, and vice-versa. Nice friendly folks were found in rigs of all sizes and ages.

I think that different rules might be applied, too, for folks that are staying one or two nights, en route to somewhere else, versus people wanting to park their rig for the season.

But, yeah, I see your point about litigation. As has been said, freedom is a delicate balance between freedom from and freedom to.

P.S. I hope the use of "Hispanic" is not offensive to anyone here. I don't use it to "label" anybody, but to recognize the existence of a heritage/people group that makes up a segment of our society.
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Old 09-03-2014, 11:44 AM   #61
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The irony... although every site had individual water and power hook-ups, there were no drains......(clip). There was a dump station near the exit that was free to use.
That is the way the Florida State Parks I have been to were. I was a little surprised on our recent jaunt around Alabama to find full service campsites, including cable TV! Cost more though and it was wasted on us and we did not hook up any water let alone sewage and did not have a cable to take advantage of the cable TV (were not really there long enough to watch TV anyway). Give me 30 amps and a spigot and I am happy. Maybe a bath house for Saturday night.
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Old 09-03-2014, 01:14 PM   #62
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I have seen RV parks/ campgrounds that do not allow trailers more than 10 years old, less than 25 ft ,children ,pets ,alcohol consumption ,anyone under 21 years of age ,firearms ,fireworks,etc etc They were all privatily owned and the owner of the property has a right to set his /her own rules, just as I have the right to stay somewhere else. I have driven into several private campgrounds that had seasonal trailers that were falling apart with trash littering their site and promptly left. We normally stay at public campgrounds due to cost ,plus they normally have all the amenities we need and meet some sort of minimum standard
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Old 09-03-2014, 01:44 PM   #63
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The irony... although every site had individual water and power hook-ups, there were no drains or even bathrooms/showers in the RV area. There was a dump station near the exit that was free to use.
Thats pretty common at a number of state & regional parks I have stayed in as well, as it is here in BC Provincial parks - although water and power are not all that common in BC Provincial parks to start with.

One of the big reasons for not wanting people using open buckets for their grey water is that it attracts bugs and wild life. There also seems to be a tendency for some (not all) people using buckets for grey water holding systems to simple dump the bucket out near the campsite once it fills up .... again attracting bugs and wild life to any food bits or smelly water that may have been in them. I hate setting up at a nice spot to shortly after discover a serious fly problem and to see that it is caused by someone having dumped out dirty dish water close by.
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I just returned from my very first stay at a small private campground. There are pro's and cons.

I've used the state parks and they also have pros and cons.

People are friendlier at the private places where people set up for years. But they're also sometimes a little too friendly. It's their place and you're in it so some of them sort of feel entitled to walk right into your space and give you advice. Of course, that depends on the person. Others were perfectly proper and were fun to talk with. They took a real interest in me and everyone liked the Casita. I agree that looking at all of their crap they've been accumulating for years also can be an eyesore: Maybe the newer camper rule is an attempt to address that. I don't know.

I really liked the full hookup, though.

The state parks have TONS of kids and they're all un-supervised, and pretty much screaming 8am-10 pm. One park had plastic noise making guns for sale in the store and the pops all around me never stopped. It was like the 4th of july. Drove me nuts. The private park had fewer kids and they didn't feel entitled to torture everyone because everyone already knew them. Their parents were so much more responsible for them.

No one was at the gate of the private park after 5 pm, but on the other hand, I felt very safe because the regulars got to know me the first day.

Then, again, it's not too hard for someone with bad intentions to get into any kind of park.

So, I guess it's like a restaurant: What do you feel like? With the comfort of the private parks comes the friendliness, but also, a very lived-in look.

I guess it pays to have a look, if possible, before booking. Of course, it goes without saying, that internet photos don't tell you anything.

Sometimes I feel like the rules at the state parks keep a lid on the negatives. Not very many rules at the private places. Although, this park keeps a black list of past undesirables, so, that's kind of good. The state parks have no such ban, and repeat offenders can keep trying.

Maybe the fun part of camping is the adventure: When you leave home, anything can happen!
The family camping trips are one of the reasons I avoid State Parks. Many years ago before I had children, the Oregon State Parks were great. Not many people, nice places, etc. As my children came along so did many other people's children, and the parks became much more crowded and much more noisy. All wildlife was scared away and I began to wonder what's the point. Then I discovered that I didn't need to camp in State Parks, National Forests were cheaper and a lot less crowded. As with anything good that soon changed. Summer week-ends in all campgrounds were crowded and noisy. My solution was not to camp in any campgrounds, in fact not even near a road. The nearest road was at least 1.5 miles away. Even then some places were crowded on week-ends with families including mine. Now that I'm retired middle of the week is the best summer, fall, winter, or spring. I try to leave the week-ends to families. The middle of the week is best anyplace.
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Old 09-03-2014, 06:29 PM   #65
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Middle of the week is a winner for retirees, especially with school back in session. In CA beach parks, weekend reservations for the entire spring, summer and fall are gone as soon as they open about 90 days before hand. But there are almost always weekdays open. I recently got two 3-4 day, week day reservations, at CA State Beaches, in the middle of August, with less than 2 weeks lead time.
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Old 09-03-2014, 08:07 PM   #66
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TEN YEAR OLD RULE????? Just let people who try to apply that ridiculous rule to know that not all 10 year old trailers are...trashes. Like what I had stated, even a brand new Trillium wouldn't offer more features, stability and safety as my 1980Trillium1300. How ab a glimpse FOR THOSE PEOPLE into my second Towing Vehicle: a Chevrolet Uplander LT 2006 was TORN apart for ...BETTER CAMPINGS WITH MY 1980TRILLIUM????
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Smile Does it matter?

I'm doing the best I can with what I have and I could say that if it cost a nickel to go 'round the world, I couldn't get out of sight. I have camped beside people who could buy and sell me without batting an eye and beside people who were obviously just getting by, perhaps not even doing as well as me and they were all great people. You can't judge a book by its cover so perhaps we should remember that it's what's inside that counts.
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Hi: Thinh... But all you needed to do was clean the carpet and shampoo the seats Eh!!! Lol.
In another Ten Yrs. I won't care what the rule is.
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Thats pretty common at a number of state & regional parks I have stayed in as well, as it is here in BC Provincial parks - although water and power are not all that common in BC Provincial parks to start with.

One of the big reasons for not wanting people using open buckets for their grey water is that it attracts bugs and wild life. There also seems to be a tendency for some (not all) people using buckets for grey water holding systems to simple dump the bucket out near the campsite once it fills up .... again attracting bugs and wild life to any food bits or smelly water that may have been in them. I hate setting up at a nice spot to shortly after discover a serious fly problem and to see that it is caused by someone having dumped out dirty dish water close by.
Hi: Carol H... When we had our Boler I solved the open bucket issue by buying a cheap red CTC. gas can. You should have heard the commotion at the dump station!!!
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Thanks!!

Many thanks for all your comments. Today we're going to look at a trailer that wouldn't pass the Fourteen Year Rule.
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