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Old 12-13-2016, 04:53 PM   #71
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But the primary reason is the same as you have in your dislike of the English system. People who have used the English system all their lives are not comfortable with the metric system, and find it as confusing as you find the metric system.
The metric system is relatively new here too. The idea was introduced in 1971, with labelling starting in the mid 70's, just after I was getting out of high school. It really does not take much effort to adapt, one just has to do it. Temperature is real easy, you get used to associating the numbers with how it feels out. 20° is nice, not to hot or cold, etc.

Distance, this is the one thing I wish we would have pushed harder to switch over, but with our reliance on the US and their not wanting to convert, we are now stuck with using two systems, and trust me, metric is WAY easier to deal with. There is just one measure, whereas imperial has many, from fractions to inches, to feet, to yards, to miles, nothing directly correlates as it does in metric.

Talking to a few people in the US, they are proud to be pretty much the only ones in the world not using the metric system, kinda like a status symbol.
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As is your right, heck its gettin' so as many American citizens don't even like the English Language... Ever read a text!
Just do what is a common colloquial practice and measure distance in minutes and hours(not GPS coordinates). Example ...
How far to Springfield?
Oh... just go about fiteen minutes that way, turn right and go two hours south!

Floyd, just ask an old timer from downeast Maine how to get to Springfield. You'll get told "You can't get theyah from heyah." Or you might be told "Take a right at the tree that fell down during the blizzard of '52, then turn down the road next to Herb Jones' house that burnt down a few years back. Springfield is down that road apiece."


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The metric system is relatively new here too. The idea was introduced in 1971, with labelling starting in the mid 70's, just after I was getting out of high school. It really does not take much effort to adapt, one just has to do it. Temperature is real easy, you get used to associating the numbers with how it feels out. 20° is nice, not to hot or cold, etc.



Distance, this is the one thing I wish we would have pushed harder to switch over, but with our reliance on the US and their not wanting to convert, we are now stuck with using two systems, and trust me, metric is WAY easier to deal with. There is just one measure, whereas imperial has many, from fractions to inches, to feet, to yards, to miles, nothing directly correlates as it does in metric.



Talking to a few people in the US, they are proud to be pretty much the only ones in the world not using the metric system, kinda like a status symbol.

Jim, I almost totally agree. I am not sure it is a pride thing; rather I think it is a comfort thing, born of fear toward something "new."
With me, you are preaching to the choir. Having a degree in one of the science fields, I am mostly comfortable with the metric system but my mind currently functions in the English system because weather reports, road signs, restaurant menus, gasoline stations all use the English system. It is what I am exposed to several times daily. I would not debate that the metric system may be more sensible, but to someone familiar with the English system, the English system is easier to deal with than another system with with they have no familiarity. Conversion of the US to metric will only happen when the majority demand it or the government decrees it and I just don't think that is going to happen in the foreseeable future. I suspect there were a lot of Canadians grousing about the metric system in the early days of its establishment, and as they adjusted and became more familiar with it, the griping and complaining ultimately ceased.

Edit: How did we manage to get this far off topic!!!


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I suspect there were a lot of Canadians grousing about the metric system in the early days of its establishment, and as they adjusted and became more familiar with it, the griping and complaining ultimately ceased.

Edit: How did we manage to get this far off topic!!!
Yes, a lot did, and some still do a bit.

We are discussing the price of fuel, and this all helps to understand how it relates on both sides of the border. That's my story, and I am sticking to it.
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I was born in the 60s in Canada, so I grew up with both systems.
As a kid, I learned about inches and their fractions, helping my dad fixing the car ("son, gimme the 7/8 wrench and put the 9/16 socket on the 1/2 ratchet!"). This was when fuel mileage was actually in miles per gallons, and these were Imperial Gallons. I used to know that doing 15 miles per gallon was not bad (it would be awful today), driving 60 miles took about 60 minutes, and 72degF was what we set the furnace thermostat at.

Then at school we got to learn the metric system. As mentioned, based on 10 and quite easy. But it took me some time time to adjust on a few things. Metric fuel "mileage" is expressed in liters per 100 km (l/100km). Took me a while to adjust to this and figure out, for example, if 6 l/100km is good or not (it is). Same thing for distances and driving time, where I still find myself "translating" km to miles. I have to think that 175km will take about 1.75 hour, or 1h45. Then I had the re-learn some of this stuff last year, when I bought a car that is an import from the US with nothing metric in it (odometer reads in miles, etc).

Canada still uses a lot of non-metric units. My toolbox has standard and metric drawers for wrenches, the metric ones are almost only used on vehicles, most of the rest is non-metric. All the construction material is still sold in inches or ft (you buy 2X4s, a 4X8 sheet of plywood, 4in nails, etc). For some reason, people will talk about their pool water temperature in degrees F. Strange, but I know if my pool is at 95F, it is warm. At 25C, no idea! People still buy "a gallon of paint", which is most of the time 3.78 liters (a US gallon). Milk is sold by the liter, but many times other beverages like juice are marked as "1.89 liter" which is in fact half a US gallon. Butter is sold by grams, in packs of 454g, which is in fact the good ol pound we always had. Cookbooks often still use cups, ounces, etc, and our oven temperature is set in degrees F. Paper comes in 8X11 sheets. Etc.

I work in the airline industry, where we mostly use non-metric units (pounds, nautical miles, knots, feet, etc) but some planes are metric (kg for weight, Celsius for temps, etc) or a mix of all. :-)
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In 1999 the Mars Climate Orbiter was lost due to a unit mix-up. That was a big one.

This one is a small one: Twice a year we help with a sale of donated clothing, so tape measures are used all the time to size things. Somebody bought Chinese dual unit seamstress tape measures, inches and millimeters (I was told they were cheap). As we started using them, something seemed off, so I folded the tape and found that those "inches" were 33.something millimeters. I trusted that the millimeters were good, but what were those inches? It turned out that China has a traditional unit of length that is now defined to be 100/3=33.33... millimeters, by some modern convention. Anybody heard of those?

We pulled those tape measures out of use before we started selling people some very tight fitting pants!
I bought one of those tape measures from a street vendor in Hong Kong during the 1970's thinking it was a good deal. During the past 35 years or so I have frightened many engineers, quality and receiving inspection people by whipping it out and letting them use it on known dimensions.
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chuckle....

I always have a good chuckle when I hear Americans griping about the metric system.....because their money is metric....and they don't seem to have no problem with that at all.....LOL
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I always have a good chuckle when I hear Americans griping about the metric system.....because their money is metric....and they don't seem to have no problem with that at all.....LOL
Love it. That's putting your money where your mouth is.
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It seems important to so many that we all conform to one measuring system, while insisting that we accept a Babel of languages.

English is the most widely spoken language across the world.
(Not talking about highly concentrated large populations)
Any measuring system can be accurately translated with a common cellphone app. Language translation is not so simple.
I will gladly quit translating metric when necessary and conform to it, when the world adopts English as a common language.
Now we all know that it WILL happen, since in the far future everyone on Star Trek speaks a common dialect of English.(even the space aliens).
The only illogical alternative of course would be the Babel Fish, especially if it could also translate measurements.

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I always have a good chuckle when I hear Americans griping about the metric system.....because their money is metric....and they don't seem to have no problem with that at all.....LOL
Hi: Franswa... Money is "Made round to go round...and flat to fly". The only problem is there's just never enough till the system prints some more.
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It appears that there's some who really don't want to change to the metric system of measurements. The reality is it's coming and you can't stop it.
The problem is that most people don't seem to have the ability or desire to think in more than one measurement system. I believe this a fault how the US attempts to teach the metric system. We learned the English system by some pretty simple means. We learned how to estimate all kinds of measurements not by converting one system to another but by observing. We also learned a lot about how the systems came into being. In the early days the system changed every time there was new king. Eventually the system was standardized. Then along came the metric system with it's measurements in multiples of 10 (convenient since we all are used to numbers in the base 10).
There are a number of professions that use the metric system. The medical industry, is one. Many, if not all, of the sciences use the metric system.
Scientists learn what a miligram, or milileiter, or a milimeter all mean know how to use them. Everybody else seems to want to play the conversion game. I don't know why, but sure seems that way.
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Byron, as I stated earlier, one has to be able to visualize in their mind how far a unit of length is, how heavy a unit of weight is, how hot a certain degree of temperature is. Residents of the US when going to school were taught the English system, and have always mentally visualized weights and measures in this system. The reluctance of US citizens to convert results from the lack of desire to start over (learn something "new," at least new to them). I hear a lot of complaints where I live about Mexicans who come to Florida (whether legally or illegally) who "refuse" to speak English. When you think in Spanish, it is normal and easier to speak in Spanish. And when you think in the English system of weights and measures, it is easier to use than the metric system. The metric system may be coming, but it isn't going to reside in this country until many more people are willing to learn how to think in metric, or they are forced to by governmental decree. Old habits die hard!


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Thank you all... for making me feel young again! I was in middle school when I last heard this debate.

Nothing has changed, at least in terms of the arguments on both sides. Canada's path proves that it is possible to change and adapt. The US path proves that you don't have to.

I will confess that fuel economy measured in liters per 100 kilometers gives me a headache, being not only different units, but a reciprocal measure.
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It seems important to so many that we all conform to one measuring system, while insisting that we accept a Babel of languages.
Thanks for bringing this up. There is so much wisdom in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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