Thom and Cari's Parkliner - Page 2 - Fiberglass RV


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-25-2013, 01:38 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
rabbit's Avatar
 
Name: Jack
Trailer: '98 BURRO 17WB
Delaware
Posts: 2,548
If the quotidien trailer living experience doesn't suit you it doesn't. Wish you good times and good memories with your new rig.

jack
__________________

__________________
rabbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 02:11 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
cpaharley2008's Avatar
 
Name: jim
Trailer: 2016 2ndGen Escape19 Prairie Schooner pulled by 2014 Dodge Ram Hemi Sport
Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,398
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy View Post
It is wonderful to have a trailer made just for you. Why pay for, take up space, and haul around a lot of stuff that is not necessary?

There are those of us out there who don't want stuff. If we aren't concerned about resale then for sure we should have what we want and not what someone else down the road wants. Granted there may be fewer future buyers but I'm sure there must be a few of us minimalists.
Nancy
I would agree with you Nancy, but the OP is not a minimalist, they are substituting something else for these items, some of which maybe more harmful or a poor substitute.
__________________

__________________
cpaharley2008 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 02:20 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
accrete's Avatar
 
Name: Thom
Trailer: Chevy AWD Van Conversion
Astoria Oregon
Posts: 1,015
Registry
Lightbulb

: )

Jim and deryk, thanks for your insights and concerns.
They are valid points, and most of which, if not all, Cari & I have discussed and came to our decision recalling our last 30 years of camping and ~15 years of _glamping_ (i.e. having an RV). And we _glamp_ nearly every day in 38ft of pure home-on-wheels-luxury Mobile Suite so our purpose built Bed & Breakfast for our minimalistic adventure getaways is a refreshing out-working of our adventurous souls : )



On resale value? You are 100% spot on...
There are not many peeps out there that have a purpose built rig to run on sun/wind/hydro as we plan. Mind you, _those peeps_ are who we DO camp with every spring through fall while gold prospecting. We have run into the same individual(s) and group(s) each season and they are fully self contained off grid. Each with one or more of the various sources of power (sun/wind/hydro/generator/propane). What we've found is they have all made full use of whatever power source they chose (propane and solar being number 1 & 2 choices), and like us, have come to their decision through research and trial/error. And as Nancy noted, there are a few of us minimalists out there that might just go GaGa over rigs such as our IF we decide to sell down the road.

On the Bed (in Van) & Breakfast (Dinning in Egg)...
There is no issue sleeping in our Van Conversion. It is an RV and is looked at as such. We are not _living in a auto_ : ) When we sold our Tacoma/A-Liner combo we specifically had in mind the replacement rigs being greater in interior volume, but still minimalistic/simplistic in design. As mentioned in my OP, the Froli Sleep System in our permenant platform/storage queen bed in the van is amazing. The system is found in million dollar yachts as is arguably the best solution for lightweight sleep-system in an RV. Having a great night's rest in the van/TV also has the advantage and security of being inside a rig that can make lots of noise with horns and such if need be, and simply driving away in the morning if we sleep at a truck/rest stop on the way to a destination spot. We have used the van now for two+ seasons as Bed & Breakfast and now want some more room during the in-camp times rather than setting up a screen room as we have been for the past ~7 camping seasons. Having what essentially amounts to a two room mobile condo has the further advantage of being able to do all OR any of daily living in either rig. As both do have areas to sleep/eat/bathe/relax as desired. That means if one wants an afternoon siesta and the other to read and relax there are two completely private areas. That said, Cari & I are rarely more than a hug away from each other and have been so for most of our 30 year marriage.

On utilizing the Butane inside...
By design, our stove is the same stove utilized table-side at a fancy restaurant or on a cooking show, and inside name brand van conversions or a marine galley. We have boiled water for morning oats and tea/coffee for several seasons utilizing this method. Always with well thought out screened venting and never had an issue. It is simple and it works. Also, we rarely end up somewhere there are uncomfortable temp variations on a given day/trip. The closest we came to asking what-the-heck we'd gotten ourselves into was last June up at Newberry Volcano near Bend Oregon and it had nothing to do with bodily comfort. We set up camp in our typical manner including our kitchen/dinning screen room one afternoon with puffy clouds overhead. The next morning i open up the van (comfortable inside without any heating being utilized) to be taken by surprise at the ground covered in ~3 inches of fresh powder/snowfall ! That means certainly it had gotten to freezing outside over night. Yet upon rising in our unheated well insulated van, we had no idea there was snow on the roof or ground outside. We were comfortable. The screen room had basically skewed itself to one side under the snow load and was a wet mess to fold up and break camp to go to lower elevation. NOW with the addition of an Egg we can stay and enjoy ourselves in most any situation. Nights we never use heating, even in the various stick built homes over the years or now in our Mobile Suite. It can get down to a measured inside temp of ~35 to 40 during winter nights but we are very comfortable in our bed. AND we are no spring chickens! . . we figure sleeping with the cool night's air has made us all the stronger : ) And in the morning it simply takes the action of boiling a kettle of water over a safe-solution to take all chill out of the small area. On other heating solutions we also have a HeatMate alcohol marine stove/heater that we can use, again safely and as designed inside a small vented area. We would LOVE to somehow get a small marine solid fuel heater/stove inside the Egg at some point. Dickinson Marine makes a beauty that can be flush mounted on a bulkhead/wall. Maybe someday! That all said...if we know we are going somewhere like the upcoming NOG and paying for shore power, we will bring a small electric heater and our kitchen electric pot & cooking range. Might as well use what's available knowing it's there in advance.

Bottom line?
Thank you for your insights & comments. All are welcomed.
Who knows : ) time will tell. Either way the world will keep spinning and Cari & I enjoy hearing of each others tales down the road at an Egg-Meet or some River camp in the mountains.

Cheers,
Thom
__________________
Blogging from the WET! Coast of Oregon
Bed, Bath, & Beyond...
2010 Chevy Express 1500 AWD Van
Archive: Parkliner #35 build thread
accrete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 04:05 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
accrete's Avatar
 
Name: Thom
Trailer: Chevy AWD Van Conversion
Astoria Oregon
Posts: 1,015
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Magee View Post
What do you see as the advantage(s) of butane over propane? I'm curious...
PS. Mike ... i'd not answered the butane/propane Q. I don't know the technical issues. . . just that many of my Expedition Portal and Off-Grid van conversion acquaintances utilize butane stoves inside/outside their rigs (from 1/2 million dollar euro 4x4 motorhomes to sportsmobile vans).
__________________
Blogging from the WET! Coast of Oregon
Bed, Bath, & Beyond...
2010 Chevy Express 1500 AWD Van
Archive: Parkliner #35 build thread
accrete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 04:46 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
accrete's Avatar
 
Name: Thom
Trailer: Chevy AWD Van Conversion
Astoria Oregon
Posts: 1,015
Registry
Lightbulb

A Ramble...

Definitions:

Minimalistic/Minimalist:
min·i·mal
a.
Smallest in amount or degree.
b. Small in amount or degree.
c. Only barely adequate.

Simplistic/Simple:
simplistic means 'characterized by a forced, unwarranted simplicity'
simple means 'plain, uncomplicated';


Jim made the comment that "The OP is not a minimalist..." and that got me thinking.

I see us as being "Simple" in our approach to many things in our lives. We do tend to look at a situation and ask if there is a solution that in our opinion is less complicated. With that in mind we have made mods in our living to be _less complicated_ than it was in the past.

Minimalism? Some would say that going from an acre of land and three bedroom farmhouse to a 500 square foot home on wheels is "Minimalistic"...but then you look inside this home on wheels and it is anything but! More like a 5 Star Hotel luxury suite : )

So i really don't know what to label Cari & I but we do like living large in small areas, and we do like simple solutions over complex ones.
__________________
Blogging from the WET! Coast of Oregon
Bed, Bath, & Beyond...
2010 Chevy Express 1500 AWD Van
Archive: Parkliner #35 build thread
accrete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 05:04 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Glenn Baglo's Avatar
 
Name: Glenn ( second 'n' is silent )
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B '08 RAV4 SPORT V6
British Columbia
Posts: 4,369
Quote:
Originally Posted by accrete View Post
PS. Mike ... i'd not answered the butane/propane Q. I don't know the technical issues. . . just that many of my Expedition Portal and Off-Grid van conversion acquaintances utilize butane stoves inside/outside their rigs (from 1/2 million dollar euro 4x4 motorhomes to sportsmobile vans).

I have a couple one-burner butane stoves that I use for cooking outside. In my experience, it takes half as long to boil a kettle of water on butane as it does inside on the propane. I think it just burns hotter.
Back in my tent trailer days, I used the butane inside instead of the propane so I could get my coffee faster in the morning.

Usually available at Asian markets.

Buy portable gas stove from veryasia.com
__________________
Glenn Baglo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 05:15 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
accrete's Avatar
 
Name: Thom
Trailer: Chevy AWD Van Conversion
Astoria Oregon
Posts: 1,015
Registry
did a google...

Approximate Heating Value of Common Fuels

Natural Gas 1,030 Btu/cu ft 100,000 Btu/therm
Propane 2,500 Btu/cu ft 92,500 Btu/gal
Butane 3,200 Btu/cu ft 130,000 Btu/gal

Electricity 3412 Btu/kilowatt hour

Don't know what it means : ) but there it is.

Then i read another article here:
"...it is accurate to say that propane contains over twice the usable energy content per cubic foot (2.44 times more). Applying these numbers to compare the energy values in real-world examples, we'll use a 100,000 BTU/hr furnace to demonstrate the comparison.
  • 100,000 BTU/hr furnace will use about 97 cubic feet of natural gas (100,000 ÷ 1,030 = 97.1) in one hour
  • 100,000 BTU/hr furnace will use about 40 cubic feet of propane (100,000 ÷ 2516 = 39.7) in one hour"
But if you factor in $ for heating value... IMO butane is more expensive than propane, which is already more expensive than natural gas in most locations.

Though a friend of mine did the calculations on Propane verses Electricity and IF Propane is running in the neighborhood of ~$3.25 and electricity is running ~$0.12 per KWH...it is break even in expense/utility. That is why, for now with prices as they are, we have our Mobile Suite set to all electric Heat/Cook/etc.
__________________
Blogging from the WET! Coast of Oregon
Bed, Bath, & Beyond...
2010 Chevy Express 1500 AWD Van
Archive: Parkliner #35 build thread
accrete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 05:15 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
Francesca Knowles's Avatar
 
Name: Francesca Knowles
Trailer: '78 Trillium 4500
Jefferson County, Washington State, U.S.A.
Posts: 4,543
Registry
It sounds like you've really thought this through, Thom!

I do have just one options-preserving suggestion, though:

You might consider having Chandler install the propane plumbing during the build. Having it already properly installed and off course capped at various outlet spots may prove useful someday, should you ever change your mind about how to use the trailer. Much simpler/neater to do it now than later as a retrofit...And certainly, if you ever decided to sell for any reason, that factory installed gas plumbing might make a difference, buyers/wise.

Just my thoughts...keep us posted!

Francesca
__________________
.................................
Propane Facts vs. Fiction:. Click here
Tow Limit Calculator: Click here
Francesca Knowles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 05:26 PM   #23
Senior Member
 
accrete's Avatar
 
Name: Thom
Trailer: Chevy AWD Van Conversion
Astoria Oregon
Posts: 1,015
Registry
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Francesca Knowles View Post
...You might consider having Chandler install the propane plumbing during the build. Having it already properly installed and off course capped at various outlet spots may prove useful someday...
Valid point Francesca. What i did see as to the propane "plumbing" in the Parkliner could easily be done at a later date by a certified RV shop without more than ~2 hours shop time plus parts IMO. Very, Very easy to work on this particular frame/egg. Access is wide open and no real hidden areas.

: ) Thom
__________________
Blogging from the WET! Coast of Oregon
Bed, Bath, & Beyond...
2010 Chevy Express 1500 AWD Van
Archive: Parkliner #35 build thread
accrete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 06:46 PM   #24
Senior Member
 
Mike Magee's Avatar
 
Name: Michael
Trailer: Li'l Hauley
Oklahoma
Posts: 5,142
I like the amenities. But I can understand some folks not wanting them. Reading the recent comments made me think of my eldest brother. He's 70 and an avid outdoorsman. Once a year he goes tent camping for a few nights in the snow. I mean, ten degrees and wind (with no heat source in the tent, other than body heat) are just fine with him! He relishes that time spent in extreme "roughing it" and takes pride that he can still do it.

If doing without certain amenities gives more enjoyment to the camping couple, then by all means do what you enjoy; it's worth the price of admission.
__________________
How much time do we have left? 2 Chr. 7:14
Mike Magee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 06:58 PM   #25
Senior Member
 
accrete's Avatar
 
Name: Thom
Trailer: Chevy AWD Van Conversion
Astoria Oregon
Posts: 1,015
Registry
Lightbulb

butane stove note...

This is the stove we've used for some time:



1 Burner Portable Gas Stove - Carrying Case included - 10,000 BTU's - Iwatani - ZA3-HP

This high power stove is designed for reliable outdoor and indoor cooking. It is ideal for table-top cooking, patio parties, and camping because the stove is portable. With a screw-in brass burner, heavy duty pan support, automatic safety shut off device and plastic case for carrying and storage, this stove is easy to maintain, clean, and take wherever its desired!

We pick up the butane canisters for about $2 each that get ~8 uses per canister for us.

During the summer months we usually cook outdoors on a small folding aluminum table as i stated elsewhere.

Here is the Heater/Stove combo we use as needed.



Only has ~5200 BTUs so it takes a while to boil water (~8 min a quart??) but it works and as noted before, put an ounce in the "SafeFlame" non pressurized canister and it will burn itself out in about 15 minutes or so. Nice to take the chill off in the evening if desired. We've even sat it on a small table next to the camp chairs for a outdoor heat source. Clean and simple.
__________________
Blogging from the WET! Coast of Oregon
Bed, Bath, & Beyond...
2010 Chevy Express 1500 AWD Van
Archive: Parkliner #35 build thread
accrete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 07:01 PM   #26
Senior Member
 
Francesca Knowles's Avatar
 
Name: Francesca Knowles
Trailer: '78 Trillium 4500
Jefferson County, Washington State, U.S.A.
Posts: 4,543
Registry
I have one of those little butane burners! I got it at the Korean grocery in Tacoma (fuel's cheap there, too), and I mostly use it for "hot pot" suppers- it's good for Korean BBQ, too, but that gets pretty messy.

It's really great for tabletop cooking....

Francesca
__________________
.................................
Propane Facts vs. Fiction:. Click here
Tow Limit Calculator: Click here
Francesca Knowles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 07:07 PM   #27
Senior Member
 
accrete's Avatar
 
Name: Thom
Trailer: Chevy AWD Van Conversion
Astoria Oregon
Posts: 1,015
Registry
Thanks Mike, sounds like your brother is quite active at 70 braving the elements like he does. Awesome.

I agree it looks like we are giving up some amenities. Guess i never thought of it that way, just amenities (heat/cooking/bathing/etc) in a simple way.

There is a reason for this behavior...I had a water manifold go out in an RV basement once. It was a PITButt to fix. Then i had a water heater go out. Again, PITButt to replace. I realize some peeps are really adept at these sort of equipment replacements, i'm not one of them. I'm also sort of anal in that i like to understand/know all details of systems. This way, i should be able to understand systems from bumper to hitch and how to get in and fix/repair/replace things.

: ) Francesca, yuppers, easy to work! and convenient if your event calls for table-side cooking.
__________________
Blogging from the WET! Coast of Oregon
Bed, Bath, & Beyond...
2010 Chevy Express 1500 AWD Van
Archive: Parkliner #35 build thread
accrete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 10:49 PM   #28
Senior Member
 
Mike Magee's Avatar
 
Name: Michael
Trailer: Li'l Hauley
Oklahoma
Posts: 5,142
I looked at that bed system you have, and it looks interesting but I'm not sure I understand it fully. One places the base pieces, then attaches the springs onto the base pieces... and then what? Does the "then what" come in the kit, or do you have to get it elsewhere? The instructions at their website sort of stop after the "add springs" step. I don't imagine one just puts a sheet over the springs..... right?

Yes, my brother and his wife are very fit. They walk several miles a day, he hunts, etc. He ran track in senior olympics and won medals at the national level. I get tired just thinking about it!
__________________

__________________
How much time do we have left? 2 Chr. 7:14
Mike Magee is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
parkliner


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Thom & Cari's Adventure Blog accrete General Chat 40 12-09-2014 05:05 PM
WA: Parkliner Thomas G. Referrals: Molded Fiberglass Trailers 19 04-15-2013 10:37 PM
Went to see a Parkliner Ruthies Radiola General Chat 3 06-09-2012 07:32 PM
Parkliner, Anyone? GingerB Hi, I am.... 6 04-25-2012 07:56 AM

» Upcoming Events
No events scheduled in
the next 465 days.
» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.