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Old 01-24-2013, 03:25 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Thom and Cari's Parkliner

Thank you for stopping by & we hope you enjoy the read and visit.

This will be a thread to document my wife and my build & tweak of our 2013 Parkliner...(Parkliner #35 rolled off the line at about 6pm EST on April 9 2013.)

For any who wish to check out some of our trips we also have a thread called Thom & Cari's Adventure Blog. Below is a recent shot of our Van Conversion and Parkliner on one of those adventures:



Throughout this thread you will come across posts that discuss mods to be completed by the manufacturer. Please note that EVERY necessary tweak/fix has been done to my satisfaction and i would certainly purchase another Parkliner and recommend them to any future Egger.


Please keep a few things in mind as you read through this build thread:

1) I'm just a regular guy...my day job has nothing to do with RV repair or maintenance so anything you see or read in this build thread posted by myself is from a non-professional POV.

2) Please always follow common sense and manufacturer's suggestions.

3) Please leave comments and suggestions!


The rest of this post #1 are my original notes before we received our Parkliner:
Some things to put down first...A BIG THANK YOU to those on this forum that have shared their insights and best-wishes through the trailer-pick process. Thanks ALSO to the to-remain-anonymous-on-pain-of-death Parkliner owner who allowed Cari & I to visit and check out the rig before we ordered. And of course, thank you to Chandler of Parkliner for making such a great product!

OK, on to business...

I am going to list the options and tweaks that will be included in our Parkliner. Let me say that my wife and i both agree that if money was unlimited we would still have ordered THIS trailer, THIS way. So while you might be scratching your head wondering about the "Why" of it all, realize we have reasons, sound, practical ones, for putting together such a rig. It will be an excellent addition to our AWD Chevy Van while camping off grid/road in the Pacific Northwest of the USA.

So here is what Chandler is building for us:

2013 Parkliner 15ft model


From Options listing:

Additional Battery (Optima Blue Tops)
Folding Table + Additional Couch Seating
Screen Door
Keyed Deadbolt Entry Lock
Additional 12VDC receptacle (x2)
_Delete Sani-Pittie
_Delete Microwave & Shelf
(ToBeDetermined**) Fantastic Fan Delete
(ToBeDetermined**) MaxxAir MaxxFan 5100K Purchase/Install

From page 2 of the MSRP sheet:
(Thom's comment: This unit will be utilized primarily off-grid. With that in mind the following requests are presented as discussed with Chandler during a phone call on 1/24/2013).
1) Include sewer hose/housing but do not mount.
2) Run shower plumbing to top of curb side chase and cap. Do Not install shower fixture.
3) Install Pre-Bilge-Pump drain
4) Install 15 gallon fresh water tank on curb side with exterior fill(s) also on curb side.(relocate parts as needed/discussed)
5) Pre-wire for Solar as discussed (10g wire inside street-side chase.)
6) 2 additional 12 volt outlets: 1 near 120v outlet at galley, + 1 near street side wall on front face of forward facing street-side dinette seat.
7) Replace/Credit Fantastic Roof Fan with (PTBD) MaxxAir MaxxFan 5100K deluxe manual opening fan.
8) Sani-Pottie – Delete/Credit. We will use our own pottie and will utilize door/storage area as designed.
9) Microwave – Delete/Credit Microwave & Shelf. Mount existing light below sink area upper cabinet.
10) Replace horizontal slider galley window with window similar in design to bathroom
11) Cushion = Tab Tangerine, Curtains = Canvas Antique Beige

___End of build detail listing.

I have a line on a licensed RV transporter who priced out the delivery from NC to our driveway on the Oregon Coast at $2400. That is a chunk of change but the total cost of rig+delivery is so right that it was an easy decision. ALSO, as stated above, and paraphrased...If we had won the lottery last week we would still have ordered this rig, this way!

I'll add more as i get updates and things come to mind. . . again, thank you all for your words of wisdom and kindness through the process!

Happy Trails,
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:01 PM   #2
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some further design details and thoughts...

As mentioned in my OP this trailer will be pulled behind our Chevy AWD 1500 Van Conversion. The van is set up for use as a Bed/with storage under, and 1/2 bath. Think of the Van as the "Bed" of our now "Bed & Breakfast" Inn amongst the rivers and mountains of the Pacific Northwest. In the van we have utilized a Froli Sleep System that is an amazing creation yielding the user one of the best platforms for a sound and comfortable night's rest. Under the bed platform is a _basement_ area of ~2'x5'x7' for our camping gear. Bath is a simple and elegant solution my wife came up with that just about any husband/outdoorsman could only dream that their wife came up with!

The Parkliner will be our "Breakfast" of the combo.
It will be like our van, completely self contained. Needing no outside source of power except the sun and some filtered water from a nearby river.

If you are at all familiar with the Parkliner, you know there are options for putting in a propane furnace, propane water heater, and propane/electric fridge. We ordered none of these items because in the past 5 years of trailer camping we've never used them except on the maiden voyage of our prior rig (an A-Liner) to make sure they worked since we paid for them! So how will we get by without them? Read on to find out : )

First, my dearest wife came up with this plan. Personally i'm not sure it would have gone over if i'd stated what i was thinking/hoping in a style of camping. She was raised on a ~300ish acre cattle ranch and is my McGirlver of a Soul Mate.

Heating: Our van conversion has approximately 6ft x 6ft x 13ft of interior room (very close to the Parkliner) and we currently "heat" the space by utilizing a chef-quality Butane stove plus ventilation for safety. It is often utilized during 3 season trips by owners of Sportsmobile vans similar to ours. On a ~40ish degree morning upon rising we can put a kettle of water on the stove and in the ~8 minutes it takes to come to boil the cabin is actually as cozy as a home.

Water Heater & Shower: Again, my McGirlver came up with this solution...as some here might utilize...a gallon garden sprayer with atomizer head (the one they usually come with) and insulating the tank with reflectix bubble foil. Pour one kettle of cold water into tank, then boil a kettle's worth and pour that into tank...comes out to be ~105 degrees...perfect for us. AND with the atomizer head, that gallon of hot water lasts for a soothing five minutes of shower time.

Cooking: See first item on Heating...we use a chef quality stainless steel Butane stove utilized in Sportsmobile vans and similar. Works great! And we usually get about 8 to 9 meals out of one $2 canister. Cheap solution IMO. Packs away in a galley cupboard out of sight and we regain our counter space. Can also use outside on small portable aluminum table.

Air conditioning: You obviously don't camp in the PNW... the average camp temp where we go is ~65-73 degrees from spring to fall. The nice Jalousie windows and roof vents will do the trick without any outside source of power except the sunshine on a solar panel.

I'll post more as it comes to mind.

: ) Thom
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:56 PM   #3
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Thom, Congradulations on your purchase...Im sure you 2 will be very happy with it! Im dying for camping season myself lol

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Old 01-24-2013, 06:25 PM   #4
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What do you see as the advantage(s) of butane over propane? I'm curious.

Also, what aspects of the Parkliner did you find advantageous for the offroad/off grid camping, vs other brands? Was it just PL's willingness to customize? Or are there other elements?
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:08 PM   #5
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Greetings Mike.
IMO The Parkliner is not in and of itself more "Off Road" or "Off Grid" than other FGRVs, but as you hinted at in your post, Parkliner/Chandler was willing to make some simple mods that will allow the unit to go the extra mile for us off grid/unplugged. Our primary reason for choosing the PL was the jalousie windows mated up with a nice clean interior design (basically no wood except doors).

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Old 01-24-2013, 07:49 PM   #6
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OMG Thom, are we going to see this great trailer at the Spring NOG... hope, hope, hope... doing the happy dance

Congratulations!!!!
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:30 PM   #7
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deryk & Donna...thank you for the kind words. should be fun.

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A design thought. When Cari & I saw the Parkliner we were struck with how big it looks on the outside compared to the Scamp and Casita we saw the week before. . . and then it hit us; It is not that the PL is any _bigger_ than the same length Scamp or Casita, but the Anti-Trolly roof makes it appear so. Where on a Scamp or Casita you might see a roof line/edge of say ~7ft then the central trolly peak bringing it up another ~8"...The PL's roof/edge is seen and the full height of ~8ft but hidden is the anti-trolly central trough that is sunk down ~6" or so hiding any roof vent or solar panel from sight. It is a very clean look and doesn't really hit you why until you ponder a bit.

Two images to compare...Casita with typical Trolly Roofline:


A Scamp with Trolly Roofline:



And now compare them with a Parkliner with Anti-Trolly Roofline:


And the Parkliner again from the end, barely noticable is the central trough:



There is an overall height difference outside of ~6" but the _feel_ is still there that the PL is somehow bigger even if overall it is not.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:18 AM   #8
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Congrats on your new PARKLINER Thom & Cari!

I visited Chandler & his facility in NC last weekend & was very impressed with his operation & the Parkliner. The Parkliner is very well thought out & very well constructed. Plus, as you noted, Chandler is open to modifications.

Personally, I'm still deciding if its too big for my needs (weekending mostly with occassional week-long outing).
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Congratulations. I hope you will give us a detailed report once your trailer arrives and you get to use it. Like you, we ordered a trailer and had to wait for delivery. I will tell you the anticipation is a little like Christmas when you were a kid. Enjoy, Raz
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I think you are making a mistake not getting the propane heater,stove,refrigerator, water heater. All of these items can be operated without any electricity and the heater is a lot safer than a portable butane stove used in an automobile, that is what you are using as your bedroom? You may afoul of some local regulations about sleeping in your car. You will have diminished any resale value of the Parkliner.
Traditions are available because they have worked, untraditional approaches somehow disappear. If you keep the factory items, at least you have a choice, removal eliminates that choice. I'd rethink this whole idea of just using your Parkliner as a dining room. Also realize as you grow older and wiser, the bed and bath in the trailer will become a lot more appealing, unless you plan on getting rid of the Parkliner, then you have the resale issue mentioned above.
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It is wonderful to have a trailer made just for you. Why pay for, take up space, and haul around a lot of stuff that is not necessary?

There are those of us out there who don't want stuff. If we aren't concerned about resale then for sure we should have what we want and not what someone else down the road wants. Granted there may be fewer future buyers but I'm sure there must be a few of us minimalists.
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Well I do agree with Jim, you might be surprised what you will use if you hav it, and yes you can makedo without but sometimes its nice to have it. Their shower idea is nice, and definatly will keep an eye on water useage, you only have whats in the jug... but heat and fridge are handy. My homebuilt trailer I was seriously looking at putting a small fridge in it because dealing with ice for more then a weekend is annoying. Propane is really handy for that.

Now if I was ordering a new ParkLiner I would go with a marine propane heater on the wall with the bathrom door, vented through the roof... minimal electrical draw needed... only thing is the screen door would need to b cut in half widthwise and either bifold style or hinged on either side and opens in the middle. I will do that when my heater dies.

But, to each their own!

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I must not know the trick. I don't see how anyone gets these ordered with all their questions answered. Every time I try to call the number or his cell, No answer. I tried one small follow up question with email......no answer.

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: ) Cathy, Raz, & Nancy...thanks for the warm welcome into the eggClub.

Ken, i am sorry to hear you have been unable to get through to Chandler. I have no idea what i'm doing to make this work. The first time i called i left a message and about 30 minutes Chandler called back and apolagized he had missed my call, stating that the noise in the shop drownds out the office-phone's ring. I don't know about the email contact as I've only sent one email and it did not need a reply (digital copies of my order which i had faxed also). I will say that Chandler is a joy to speak with. His ideas are refreshing!

Best wishes on your research/shopping adventure.
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