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Old 04-25-2003, 12:39 PM   #15
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>>west niles no explosion

Ah Mike, I was wrong! In 2002, according to the Center for Disease Control, Illinois lead the nation in human West Niles deaths ... There were 64 reported human deaths from the virus (2 deaths the year before).

Michigan recorded the second highest number of human West Niles deaths in 2002: 51

http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/wncount.htm

Say what you like, but here in the midwest, West Niles exploded last year. And according to the CDC, the numbers will undoubtedly grow this year.

Nationwide, in 2002, West Niles killed 284 folks ... more than SARs has killed in China, Hong Kong and Toronto (so far, that is).

Now, West Niles can't be spread as quickly as SARs ... but still ... it's a real threat.

We're treating our hiking clothes with permethrin and wearing bug repellent, particularly dawn and dusk.
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Old 04-25-2003, 01:11 PM   #16
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There is a great deal to be said for some of the points you made, Mike. It is always important to consider how our actions might affect others, not just ourselves. I spoke with our local health officer about the West Nile issue, and he basically snorted with contempt. Sure it's real, but it's one of any number of pest-transmitted diseases, and simply doesn't deserve all the press it gets. As for the SARS issue, the jury is still out, but if going to Toronto or wherever puts you or people you contact at risk, consider it carefully. But, in the midst of all this sickness, terrorism and destruction, life goes on, and I intend to be one of those who is living it! My odds of dying crossing the street to get the mail will always remain higher than from any of these diseases, and yet I take that risk every day.
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Old 04-25-2003, 01:46 PM   #17
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SARS vs. West Nile - Battle of the Titans!

Here's a similar table for SARS:

http://www.who.int/csr/sarscountry/2003_04_25/en/

There's been more West Nile deaths (10 more - I'll grant though, I haven't followed it much recently and clearly last year was bad). However - A look at the numbers makes it clear why there was a travel advisory put out.

If you lump together the countries at the core of the outbreak (China and immediate vicinity) - and then ask where the next major centers are:

It's Canada (with 140 cases) and the US (with 39 cases) - no other country even is in double digits of confirmed cases yet.

Again - I would emphasize the SPEED at which SARS is expanding in contrast to the very slow march of West Nile.

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Old 04-25-2003, 02:06 PM   #18
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>>speed

I agree. Apparently some doctor in Boston is suspected of having SARs after a visit to Toronto.

This is what's frightening about SARs.

I think we're all saying the same thing.

Let's all pray that they get a handle on the SARs virus ASAP.

Bug spray will keep the mosquitos and West Niles at bay ... but who knows what or who or how SARs will spread in the future.
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Old 04-26-2003, 03:30 PM   #19
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Toronto

Hi Everyone,

First off... let me say to Charles: "hey! cool! I grew up 30 min from Darlington PP! I've camped there a few times as a Girl Guide."

Secondly... to Diane: "I'll be in Ottawa for the weekend of the 15th to 19th visiting family and tulips. :-) Small world, eh?"

And finally... on the topic of the thread, The WHO just announced that it will be reviewing it's decision about the travel advisory for Toronto.

Considering my cousin was just laid off from her job because of this advisory (she works at the Convention Center by the CN Tower), I hope that (A) the advisory is not needed and gets removed, and (B) the number of new cases really are declining as I've read in the news lately.

~ Melanie
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Old 04-26-2003, 05:46 PM   #20
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SARS and t.o.

Norm was at seminars for work at the edge of Chinatown from Apr 8-11th. He ate out every night and went to a Blue Jays game. All this despite the yelling that our daughters were doing.MOM, DO YOU KNOW WHERE DAD WENT? YOU TELL HIM HE CAN'T DO THAT!
Well I did TELL him to WASH his hands every time he came back in.
He saw no one in masks. He is now past the 10 day incubation period. But there apparently are less people coming to Toronto. The problem areas to avoid are the affected Toronto hospitals.Throughout the province every visitor to hospitals and nursing homes are being screened and all must sign afidavits (spelling?) that -they haven't been to China in past 10 days; haven't been to any Toronto hosp. that has suspected cases; haven't been in contact with anyone who is suspected of having it; have not been asked to go into voluntary quarantine; and do not themselves have a temp over 100-4F(38c)or a chest cold or headache or malaise. As I work in both a hosp. and a nrg home I am screened every day.- and I am quite pleased to be screened- Anyone who doesn't go into voluntary quarantine if requested will be put in mandatory isolation.The Toronto health unit is adamant that it not be allowed to spread into the general population. It hasn't so far and we pray that it doesn't. All cases can still be traced back to the original exposure from China. I had planned to go with him, but his aunt was dying, and I didn't want risk not getting in to see her upon return - a ban on all visitors to every hospital in the province had just been issued on the 1st. Now most pt. are allowed one visitor during restricted hours, providing they pass the screening, and the area has remained SARS free.
By the way we live 60 miles from T.O.
End of news report according to Jean
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Old 04-27-2003, 10:29 AM   #21
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Jean, good report! I know Toronto officials are taking all the right steps and precautions. We pray that this SARs thing is quickly contained and cured!

Melanie ... Darlington Provincial Park is our usual "first day" stop on our way to the Maritimes, provided we don't get hung up at the border or in Toronto traffic.

We find Darington's a good place to overnight, particularly if you get one of the campsites, that backs up to the lake!
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Old 04-28-2003, 07:12 AM   #22
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Let's see...fewer people visiting Toronto, that would mean higher probability of getting a lakeside site at Darlington. What's the negative?
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Old 04-29-2003, 03:11 PM   #23
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Yeah!

The W.H.O. just announced that it was lifting the travel ban on Toronto, saying that Toronto had gone above and beyond the call to contain the SARs outbreak.

Let's hope and pray that the worst of this SARs (still a problem in China) is behind us!

Meanwhile, make those travel plans to Toronto!

I recommend an overnight at Darlington Provincial Park!
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