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Old 12-18-2007, 08:51 PM   #1
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I have been looking around at *maybe* getting a new TV. The price of fuel has gone bananas and my MPG runs anywhere between 11 and 12 pulling my egg with 01 ranger 4.0. But it appears there is good news on the horizon for green diesel. Better gas millage and cleaner burning and of course TORQUE! If I had a new ranger with the newest 4cyl 3.0 turbo diesel due to come out in Europe next year I would sacrifice little or no torque and get near 20mpg. But we probably wont get it until 2010 or later. Toyota already has one overseas... Nissan too I think.

Anyway got me to looking around the net and I found this link
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stor...ra/jperez.html

Apparently this company is a very big player in autos in Asia and Australia.. I never heard of them. But they seem to be on good footing if you read the Aussie press.

Anyway here is another link
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/editorial...h-diesel-power/

It appears the engine is really strong but at 190 ftlbs is still a little weak for my 3000 lbs.
However I would bet this would make great tv for lighter eggs.

What for you think?

PS Ford is due to put a 4.6 diesel V8 in the 150.. maybe as early as late 08. It would almost double the torque of my 4.0 but they have no MPG specs yet.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:49 PM   #2
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I like the thought of a diesel powered GM hybrid. The best of both worlds.
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:54 AM   #3
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Diesel is really a nice way to go with power and the engine will last much longer too and i would really like to have one but the price of diesel compared to regular gas is way out of hand.... yesterday diesel $3.62 Gal .......Reg Gas $3.02Gal ....regular gas is way more to refined and diesel is nothing more than #2 oil ................Somebody is messin with us somewhere??
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Old 12-19-2007, 07:14 AM   #4
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Nawww! They wouldn't do that, would they? It's gotta be the taxman.
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:15 AM   #5
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I believe diesel a number of years ago started being priced on energy content. So when we see these great MPG ratings, we need to ask what's the MP$ - it may be the same as the cheaper gasoline engine!
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Old 12-19-2007, 09:41 AM   #6
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Ran a Sinclair gas station in Cheyenne, WY, during the late 50s (yeah I know that makes me sound old). No matter what the price of gasolene was the price of diesel was always one half. Most often gas was 22 cents a gallon with diesel being 11 cents.

Naw, nobodys messing with us now!

Hey Ronsmith100 - used a 94 Mazda (Ranger) 4.0 to tow a Scamp 5vr that was about 3,800 lbs. In 06 upgraded to a Toyota Tacoma 4.0 Double Cab, 4x4, long bed, and there was a world of difference increase in power and slight increase in MPG. Something to think about.

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Ran a Sinclair gas station in Cheyenne, WY, during the late 50s (yeah I know that makes me sound old). No matter what the price of gasolene was the price of diesel was always one half. Most often gas was 22 cents a gallon with diesel being 11 cents.

Naw, nobodys messing with us now!

Hey Ronsmith100 - used a 94 Mazda (Ranger) 4.0 to tow a Scamp 5vr that was about 3,800 lbs. In 06 upgraded to a Toyota Tacoma 4.0 Double Cab, 4x4, long bed, and there was a world of difference increase in power and slight increase in MPG. Something to think about.

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Well there is no reason to believe the oil industry is *not* sticking it too us as always but the published reason (and I think accurate reason) that Diesel is costly now is the transition to low-sulfur-diesel fuel. As I understand it low sulfur is the basic reason we have some "green" diesle engines today. The refineries have spent a lot of money retrofitting and are passing the cost on. Eventually I hope the refining costs will be less than gasoline again.

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Old 12-19-2007, 11:17 AM   #8
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This thread and the previous on seem to have merged into one about mileage and fuel and engine types.
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This thread and the previous on seem to have merged into one about mileage and fuel and engine types.
That's true.. I didn't see the other post.

nevertheless, what do you think of the mahindra pick up? They have nearly 500 dealers signed up for 08
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Old 12-19-2007, 04:38 PM   #10
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To me, it looks like it has a lot of possibilities.
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Old 12-19-2007, 07:26 PM   #11
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I think it is not a particularly attractive truck, but I really don't care. By all reports, it is built tough, and is reported to be great on fuel. Sounds like a great combination. I would be sore tempted to get one.
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Old 12-19-2007, 09:42 PM   #12
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....regular gas is way more to refined and diesel is nothing more than #2 oil ................Somebody is messin with us somewhere??
No, I don't think anybody's messing with us. I do think people should appreciate a couple of things:
  • modern diesel fuel is not crude, it is a critical refined product (as Ron mentioned)
  • all products are priced according to their market value; diesel costs roughly as much as gasoline because it is worth roughly as much, and is similarly in demand
I'm no expert, but logically I can see no reason why diesel should significantly decrease in price relative to gasoline any time soon.
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:56 AM   #13
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Ok, I'm going to commit what amounts to blasphemy among diesel lovers.

All of the things that made diesel so attractive, even ten years ago, are falling by the wayside. Although diesel has more BTUs per unit than gasoline, it is once again more expensive, so the cost per mile is about a wash. It used to be that gas engine tuneups were a frequent and pricey affair. Most engines are now out to 100,000 miles for a "tuneup". Diesel, OTOH, uses two or three times the amount of oil in the crank case. Depending on the distance one runs between changes and the type and cost of oil, the cost over 100,000 miles for oil for the diesel makes the 100,000 mile gas tuneup cost a wash.

Diesel is harder to find, and even with modern blends can be problematic in very, very cold weather (I have a Kubota diesel tractor, BTW, and love it...).

I researched diesels pretty hard recently when looking to buy my motorhome, and decided that after paying the premium cost for the diesel engine plus the wash on fuel and maintenance that the good ol' Ford V10 looked pretty good. There just isn't enough advantage to owning an automotive diesel right now to make it worth the expense and hassle.

It will be interesting to see the mileage figures and the MSRP on the Mahindra. If they can get the mpg into the 50mpg range, it might be a hit.

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On edit: BTW, I changed the title from TVs to Tow Vehicles. I couldn't for the life of me figure out in the first several posts what diesel fuel had to do with the future of televisions... THEN I got it... I changed it for the ease of finding it via our search engine in the future.
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Ok, I'm going to commit what amounts to blasphemy among diesel lovers.

All of the things that made diesel so attractive, even ten years ago, are falling by the wayside. Although diesel has more BTUs per unit than gasoline, it is once again more expensive, so the cost per mile is about a wash. It used to be that gas engine tuneups were a frequent and pricey affair. Most engines are now out to 100,000 miles for a "tuneup". Diesel, OTOH, uses two or three times the amount of oil in the crank case. Depending on the distance one runs between changes and the type and cost of oil, the cost over 100,000 miles for oil for the diesel makes the 100,000 mile gas tuneup cost a wash.

Diesel is harder to find, and even with modern blends can be problematic in very, very cold weather (I have a Kubota diesel tractor, BTW, and love it...).

I researched diesels pretty hard recently when looking to buy my motorhome, and decided that after paying the premium cost for the diesel engine plus the wash on fuel and maintenance that the good ol' Ford V10 looked pretty good. There just isn't enough advantage to owning an automotive diesel right now to make it worth the expense and hassle.

It will be interesting to see the mileage figures and the MSRP on the Mahindra. If they can get the mpg into the 50mpg range, it might be a hit.

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On edit: BTW, I changed the title from TVs to Tow Vehicles. I couldn't for the life of me figure out in the first several posts what diesel fuel had to do with the future of televisions... THEN I got it... I changed it for the ease of finding it via our search engine in the future.

HA! this cracks me up. I had the same reaction the first time I read a post about the TV the guy was describing over on Casita Club. I was brand new to trailer towing and had no idea what his television had to do with sway!

some points in your post to address:

1- if Europe is any indication diesel is going to be the main fuel of the future, not the secondary fuel. 50% of their new car sales are now disel and is suppsoed to grow to 70% in the next ten tears. All petrol stations over there have almost as many diesle pumps as gasoline pumps now. So I suppose the same thing will happen here and diesel will be available everywhere. Also, the European refiners started the ultra low sulfur program many years ago so the cost of diesel fuel is now a little less than gasoline again.

2- I was never considering the cost of fuel when thinking about a diesel. I was thinking about the cost of torque. A gasoline engine's MPG falls off in proportion to the load being carried/towed. So does a diesel but the slope of the graph is shallow in comparison. An example: a 6 liter gasoline V8 may get 18mpg highway with no load and only 10 mpg highway pulling a 5000 lb trailer load. The same size diesel engine in the same size truck will get 18mpg hwy too. But pulling the same load it will get say 15 mpg highway. The bigger the load the greater the gap in millage between a gasoline and diesel truck. Also to consider is the driving comfort... there is soooo much torque available that you dont have to pay too much attention to shifting and RPM etc. Those guys just boggie along.

3- this works in reverse too. Since torque is my major concern (not necessarily horse power) then this opens up opportunities for smaller four and six cylinder turbo diesels to produce the same amount of torque as their big brother gasoline V8s. Most of the load carrying utility trucks in Europe are Ranger size four cylinder turbo diesels.

Anyway... I think the cost of torque will be dropping soon.... we'll see. But I don't think that Mahindra pickup will get anywhere near 50mpg.. it is a high performance engine... I suspect it could pull 3000lbs and get 25 maybe.. I don't know. But it will certainly out perform any gas V6/V8s

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