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Old 11-20-2013, 11:30 AM   #15
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Jon,

Good point about using the camera for those rare passing occasions and pulling back into the right lane. It's really neat that you can see the distance that your vehicle is ahead of the passed vehicle.

I never back up in gas stations finding it easier to wait for the person ahead to move. If I do any unusual movements Ginny jumps out to be sure I'm doubly aware of my 'surroundings'.

I am amazed by the few foolish drivers who get in my normally 'visibility shadow'. Of course these are the ones that suddenly try to blast out squeezing between the trailer and oncoming traffic in the next lane.

Jim,
We rarely pass anyone, sounds like we're similar to Jon.

Ginny likes the rear camera because though she does do a great job paying attention to the passenger side, particularly merging traffic, she now likes knowing what's happening behind us.

Of course most of our time is spent in low traffic areas and doesn't take the attention this thread may suggest.

The camera does provide good notice of those blasting up from behind and the wild lane changers one sometimes sees. When passing the camera does tell me if there's some one in my 'visibility shadow'. I use the convex spot mirrors added to our Honda's to see people who might be in the blind spots, the largest danger when passing.

Ginny has made me directional signal use paranoid. The act of using the directional signal forces a process before changing lanes and pulling out.

I find the camera's to really be inexpensive. It could use some improvement but it's a great first order solution.

We've now driven a few thousand miles with ours and no extended mirrors.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:41 AM   #16
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I see a couple people are touting rear view cameras. They're nice when they're working, kind of a geeky thing for the gadget lover. But would you bet your life on one. NOT ME. As with many thing tried and true non-electronic is more reliable. Electronics quite for various reasons and you might not know it until too late. If an extension mirror quits you know it right away and is easily replaced. If a rear view camera quits it takes a bit more to replace it.

As an electronic engineer I would never trust my life to a single electronic device. I would want at least one level of redundancy. Space missions have at least 3 levels of redundancy and often that's saved their lives.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:52 AM   #17
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Byron,

Like all new items someone has to try it. The camera definitely extends the ability of the driver to see.

These days literally billions of cameras are being made. The government just installed a huge number in Washington state to track everything. Virtually every telephone, pad and computer has at least one and usually two cameras.

To this date we have not had an electronic camera fail in any of our products. I can't say that about out outside mirrors. If our camera should fail, we presently carry a set of mirrors in one of our underneath storage compartments as a back up.

To me it's not a geeky thing but an extension of ability. No mirror I have lets me see what's 'right' behind my trailer. Trust me if it should fail I would pull over and return to the old technology.
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Old 11-20-2013, 12:02 PM   #18
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Jon,

Good point about using the camera for those rare passing occasions and pulling back into the right lane. It's really neat that you can see the distance that your vehicle is ahead of the passed vehicle.

I never back up in gas stations finding it easier to wait for the person ahead to move. If I do any unusual movements Ginny jumps out to be sure I'm doubly aware of my 'surroundings'.
Since I travel solo, I don't have a "Ginny" for those few times I need to back up in a crowded situation. By the time I get back in the tow vehicle after physically looking behind the trailer, all kinds of things or people could move into the area. While I'm rarely in a hurry, there have been times I had no choice but to back up. I've never had a problem with the camera(s) but also depend on the extended mirrors.
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Byron,

Like all new items someone has to try it. The camera definitely extends the ability of the driver to see.

These days literally billions of cameras are being made. The government just installed a huge number in Washington state to track everything. Virtually every telephone, pad and computer has at least one and usually two cameras.

To this date we have not had an electronic camera fail in any of our products. I can't say that about out outside mirrors. If our camera should fail, we presently carry a set of mirrors in one of our underneath storage compartments as a back up.

To me it's not a geeky thing but an extension of ability. No mirror I have lets me see what's 'right' behind my trailer. Trust me if it should fail I would pull over and return to the old technology.
And you're willing to bet your life along with others on the road to piece of electronics. Hmmm.
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Old 11-20-2013, 12:15 PM   #20
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Since I travel solo, I don't have a "Ginny" for those few times I need to back up in a crowded situation. By the time I get back in the tow vehicle after physically looking behind the trailer, all kinds of things or people could move into the area. While I'm rarely in a hurry, there have been times I had no choice but to back up. I've never had a problem with the camera(s) but also depend on the extended mirrors.
A rear view camera can be a good thing along as there's the old reliable extension mirrors. Good for you Jon.

Saying you've never had a problem is like saying the first few Apollo missions everything worked ok, so everything is great, that is until 13.
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Byron, I do carry backup extension mirrors.
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:06 PM   #22
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...If an extension mirror quits you know it right away and is easily replaced. If a rear view camera quits it takes a bit more to replace it...
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And you're willing to bet your life along with others on the road to piece of electronics. Hmmm.
Let's not make this into a bigger issue than it really is.

Let us say for the sake of argument that two camper trailer combinations are out in the boonies, one with trailer mirrors only, and the other with a rear camera only (no mirrors). Let us also say that a freak accident occurs where the trailer mirrors and the rear camera are broken, leaving both units without rear views. What do they do? Are they going to unhitch their trailers and drive back to civilization for replacement mirrors and cameras before coming back for their trailers? I would imagine that there is a very high probability that both units would be capable of driving back to civilization without use of their rear view vision and neither would experience any life threatening incidents because of this short period of non-rear vision. Once back to civilization, both units would have their mirrors or cameras repaired or replaced, and they would go happily and safely on their way.

I think the bigger issue is or should be whether the rear view system, be it cameras or mirrors, provides an appropriate view of what is going on to the sides and rear of your tow vehicle. Anything that improves that view is a good thing.
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Please lets not start a Family Feud like my last post that got locked.

I travel solo and I'm just trying to learn from all of you about the safety of towing my camper. Anyone can pull a trailer, but so many have no clue what they are doing. I for one, have been pulling different size trailers for different reasons for many years. I had a lawn service a few years ago and pulled my mower ect. in a 14 ft. cargo trailer. I could back that trailer into very small and strange places without problems. Towing my camper down the interstate and into some of these larger cities with all the traffic is totally new to me. That's why I'm asking these questions. I thank you all for your knowledge.
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Speaking of redundancy ( not talking about this thread ) I keep my old Tow 'N' See mirrors in the RAV4 storage and use my replacement Grand Aero mirrors. My vote is for Grand Aero.
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Mary and for others that may be new.

Byron are friends and though some may read an undercurrent of ill will, that's not possible. We both own Scamp's, travel extensively, are engineers by trade, both cautious RVers and have gone out of our way together to eat at an excellent Oregon Hungarian restaurant.

Being a former moderator I know part of the job is to look for 'smoke', there is really none here.
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Let's not make this into a bigger issue than it really is.

Let us say for the sake of argument that two camper trailer combinations are out in the boonies, one with trailer mirrors only, and the other with a rear camera only (no mirrors). Let us also say that a freak accident occurs where the trailer mirrors and the rear camera are broken, leaving both units without rear views. What do they do? Are they going to unhitch their trailers and drive back to civilization for replacement mirrors and cameras before coming back for their trailers? I would imagine that there is a very high probability that both units would be capable of driving back to civilization without use of their rear view vision and neither would experience any life threatening incidents because of this short period of non-rear vision. Once back to civilization, both units would have their mirrors or cameras repaired or replaced, and they would go happily and safely on their way.

I think the bigger issue is or should be whether the rear view system, be it cameras or mirrors, provides an appropriate view of what is going on to the sides and rear of your tow vehicle. Anything that improves that view is a good thing.
Trying to make up stories to justify dependency on electronic toys doesn't make any difference to reality. Electronic devices fail and will fail. They're wonderful things, I've worked in electronics for over 45 years and know they wonderful things, but the ALL fail at some point in time. Murphy will tell you when. We live by our electronic devices, cell phones, ipads, iphones, gps receivers, etc. etc. When they die, not if, think about what you're going to do. I'm not saying don't have the electronic devices, after all electronic devices paid for my living and retirement. I probably have more electronic devices around than most people, and have purchased my share that are now obsolete. I had my share of things like GPS receivers fail when out hiking in remote areas. I've carried cell phones that the batteries died and were worthless if needed rescuing.
As Boy Scouts say be prepared. That includes being prepared when the electronic devices fail.
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Mary and for others that may be new.

Byron are friends and though some may read an undercurrent of ill will, that's not possible. We both own Scamp's, travel extensively, are engineers by trade, both cautious RVers and have gone out of our way together to eat at an excellent Oregon Hungarian restaurant.

Being a former moderator I know part of the job is to look for 'smoke', there is really none here.
Thanks for nice comments Norm. Yes, Norm and I are friends. I think most of the time we see eye to eye. My presentation sometimes doesn't exactly sound like in written words since you can't see my face or hear my intonation. I mean no ill towards anybody.
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Good info on the mirrors, so now what brand of back up camera's are you all using. Maybe I will end up getting both mirrors and back up camera's. If I'm going to invest in the camera, I think I want one with two camera's so I can leave one on the Trailblazer and one on the back of the Scamp.
So what brand of camera are you using?
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