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Old 07-10-2015, 08:56 PM   #29
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I have restored over 50 classic trailers over the past 10 years, I take pictures from the time I find them, thru seeing them leave sold, you can't see everything after it is finished, so I like to show before, during, and after.

I still have to have the new owner sign a bill of sale with as is- where is- no warranty just to cover my hind end.

I can sum up a trailer in my first overall in person look, and price it in my head, if the seller is in line with my figure, I buy it, if it is over priced I look elsewhere.

I buy my pork wrapped in clear plastic, not covered in lipstick, oink!
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Old 07-10-2015, 09:01 PM   #30
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So it's okay for a salesman to withhold information but not a private seller?, think I'd call both unscrupulous. Unfortunately there is a reason for the "buyer beware" warning when buying anything used.

Over on one of the Airstream forums you can ask for an experienced current vintage owner to check out a used trailer for you, think there is a list somewhere. As with FG trailers, folks keep them on the road forever. Stuff happen to 20 or 30 year old trailers, it should almost be expected unless you are paying top $.
To answer your question about getting a qualified "inspector", I used to do inspections of Toyota Motorhomes and charged $150+ mileage for inspections. I quit doing it when the rejection/did not buy rate exceeded 80% and customers were complaining that I was finding to much fault with what they wanted to buy. It became a lose-lose situation.

As with Toyota Motorhomes, FGRV buyers seldom realize the depth of possible problems and the real cost of repairs, and those that can do their own repairs, also do their own inspections.
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Old 07-10-2015, 09:17 PM   #31
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I decided years ago that people are generally honest... just misinformed. Do you know how many members here on FiberglassRV don't know about general maintenance they need to do on their all-molded-towable? Don't answer... I can't believe (yeah, I can) about leaking windows... and they're not too terribly worried. REALLY? I mean REALLY? Haven't you read about floor replacements and issues?

I still believe folks sell trailers based on their use (and memories made) rather than what a buyer expects.

EDUCATE YOURSELF, if you're a buyer of an all-molded-towable, don't rely on your emotions or excitement because you've found ONE of your dreams...
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Old 07-11-2015, 09:34 AM   #32
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Integrity questions.

I currently have a Burro for sale and I've been overwhelmed by the number of contacts. I priced it at a level where I get what I put into it thus far but it is not finished. I have 3 parties that plan to be in town when I arrive home so they can get 1st shot plus several more that will jump into their car if I call them. I don't know who should get 1st shot. And several have said that they've been looking for years for an egg & are willing to buy it site unseen.
My son who is a professional salesman said that I should not have just put an ad on Craigslist as this opens the door for a bunch of buyers to come over(some from 400 miles away). He feels that the best way to market any egg is to have a 3 day inspection where buyers can look at the unit, leave a written offer with a $20 bill. On the sale day(#4) the best offer gets a call & the others get their $20 back. This lottery system allows buyers to bring their own expert to inspect 30 or 40 years old trailers. Next time I'll use that route.
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:21 AM   #33
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Jimcapon, You have a real problem...not a bad problem but a real problem.

I have a simple and fair method to solve it.
First, Notify all the people who have an interest I. Your trailer that it will be available for viewing on a day that you have nothing else scheduled.
Second let them know how many people have expressed an interest in buying.
Third, ....let them know you are trying to be fair and will provide (here you pick the number of hours for inspection)
Fourth, ...then after inspection anyone wishing to buy the unit "as-is- no warranty" can make an offer. Terms: CASH at time of sale...prompt removal from your property.

This may result in a bidding war...you will have early bird arrivals trying to "snake the purchase" ahead of the others....stick to your original plan.
Also note not all buyers will agree to the terms you lay out...that will reduce the number of potential buyers....that might be a good thing...not everyone will be happy.

Now what you should have done from the start.....make sale to first person who wants it with cash in hand...take all the calls and provide location...make yourself available for any buyer at his earliest convince. Advertise on both CraigsList and this site to get the best buyers...this site would produce the most qualified and informed buyers but one never knows!

Good luck.....it seems to be a "seller's market".
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:23 AM   #34
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Gotta say, that three day inspection and bid idea would rule out a lot of FGRV buyers (including Moi) who would lose interest when they were told that it really wasn't "For Sale" that day, but is really just being auctioned.


From a "Professional Salesman's" (?) point of view, maximizing sales price might be a primary motivation, but that sounds more like the tactic that Realtor's use to pump up prices, than a For Sale offering.


If a seller doesn't know what it is worth, it's time to do home homework, set an asking price and go with that. Then, when someone walks in, and offers to pay the asking price up front, it's simply called "Sellers Remorse" for which there is no known cure.


And, in many states, where a deposit is an implication of part ownership on the part of the buyer, the buyers total liability is usually limited to the amount of the deposit should they default. Whereas the seller can be liable for the entire value of the sale for default. In short, $20 deposit offers nothing to the seller and everything to the buyer.


What's being suggested is nothing more than a bidding war/auction and is what the o.p. was complaining about.... If you want to do that, call what it is and put it on eBay.


And that's just my opinion, which I am often told has no intrinsic value whatsoever....LOL
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:37 AM   #35
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Having read Bob Miller's latest reply all I can say the seller can try to be fair (see my earlier post) or just sell it to the first person with CASH and the means to remove it at time of sale. He created this situation.....as to the selling price...I hope he posted one and will stand by it.
Any advertised price is subject to change...his asking price does not indicate the final price....it is only an invitation to do business....does not bind seller or buyer to any set dollar amount.....everything is negotiable.....took business law in college....can you tell?

Good Luck!
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:38 AM   #36
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I currently have a Burro for sale and I've been overwhelmed by the number of contacts. I priced it at a level where I get what I put into it thus far but it is not finished. I have 3 parties that plan to be in town when I arrive home so they can get 1st shot plus several more that will jump into their car if I call them. I don't know who should get 1st shot. And several have said that they've been looking for years for an egg & are willing to buy it site unseen.
My son who is a professional salesman said that I should not have just put an ad on Craigslist as this opens the door for a bunch of buyers to come over(some from 400 miles away). He feels that the best way to market any egg is to have a 3 day inspection where buyers can look at the unit, leave a written offer with a $20 bill. On the sale day(#4) the best offer gets a call & the others get their $20 back. This lottery system allows buyers to bring their own expert to inspect 30 or 40 years old trailers. Next time I'll use that route.
Why not use eBay? With your system, what if the high bidder backs out? Do they get their $20 back? Do you need a contract to make sure they understand the rules? Am I over-thinking this?

As far as what to do in your current situation, integrity simply requires that you answer any questions buyers ask truthfully and keep any verbal commitments you make. That includes selling at the advertised price and not looking to start a bidding war after the fact.

It seems to me you have two options. One is to offer the trailer to each contact in the order they called, regardless of distance. If you go that route, you'll have to give each buyer a reasonable time to complete the sale, and the whole thing could drag on a while. The other is to simply decide that first $$ takes it. Whatever you decide, communicate the rules clearly to potential buyers.

In the midst of all this you have to protect yourself as well. Sellers are not the only ones who sometimes lack integrity!
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Old 07-11-2015, 11:06 AM   #37
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Why not use eBay?.......It seems to me you have two options. One is to offer the trailer to each contact in the order they called, regardless of distance. If you go that route, you'll have to give each buyer a reasonable time to complete the sale, and the whole thing could drag on a while. The other is to simply decide that first $$ takes it. Whatever you decide, communicate the rules clearly to potential buyers.

In the midst of all this you have to protect yourself as well. Sellers are not the only ones who sometimes lack integrity!
I, in my youth, was quite trusting, and believed what people told me.

Yeah, hard to believe, isn't it?

However, i quickly learned that people would call and tell me that the object I had for sale was just what they wanted, and would I hold it for XXXX time for them to drive XXXX miles to my home. And, then they would never show up, or call!

While I have still have enough trusting nature to make a exception, 90 % of the items I sell today, are sold to the first person who arrives with cash in hand! No MO's, certified checks, etc. CASH ONLY!

I have held a large ticket item, like a sailboat, for a out-of-town buyer, if he wires me the full price. I've never had a person want their money back, and to this day several buyers are good email friends.

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Old 07-11-2015, 12:54 PM   #38
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a shopping story...

when I was shopping I saw a trailer (funfinder) on a dealer website that I thought would work.....As it was three hours away, I called and made arrangements for at least a hold for that time (didn't want to drive all the way there to find it gone)...the guy agreed and said it was fine as the trailer was in a back lot and he would have to pull it it to show anyway.....

got there, looked the trailer over...found evidence of a small leak by a window....otherwise it looked good.....after about half an hour a couple drove up and said to the guy "Hi Jim, is this the trailer you were talking about?" and started looking it over.......yeah right, what a coincidence !!!!

Right quick I thanked "Jim"....said I'd have to sleep on it and drove away.....never phoned him back....that was so transparent.....didn't care what condition the trailer was in at that point I just decided I didn't want to hand my money over to somebody that would do something like that
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Old 07-11-2015, 01:40 PM   #39
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Having read Bob Miller's latest reply all I can say the seller can try to be fair (see my earlier post) or just sell it to the first person with CASH and the means to remove it at time of sale. He created this situation.....as to the selling price...I hope he posted one and will stand by it.
Any advertised price is subject to change...his asking price does not indicate the final price....it is only an invitation to do business....does not bind seller or buyer to any set dollar amount.....everything is negotiable.....took business law in college....can you tell?

Good Luck!
You must not have taken that law course in California. An advertised price is an invitation to sell for that price, holding out for a higher price is called "Bait and Switch" and, while an RV buyer may not want to press the issue, there is plenty of example of case law that would support the buyer if they so desired.

This may have started in the 60's when a SoCal car dealer, dressed in a Gorilla suit on TV, offered to sell a new vehicle for XXX Bananas. As the fruit was less than $1 each a smart buyer proffered the bananas and took the dealer to court (and won) over the issue.

To stay on the topic, I would call a seller that refused to sell for the advertised price a sleazy seller.....


Added Note: I was just advised by p.m. that refusing to sell for the advertised price in some states could be called fraudulent advertising and, at a certain $$$ level, could be seen as a felony..... WOW Hoodathunkit?
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Here is the link to the FGRV Document Center Buyers Checklist:
http: //www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=72
Take a copy of it with you when you go look. If you have doubts or lack of experience with some items, get someone who knows go look with you.

There is also one there specific to Bolers.

We live in a world that, alas, has some unscrupulous people. Then again, there are a lot of folks out there that just don't know.

Please take this as an observation, not a criticism, but there are questions asked here everyday by long time trailer owners that would indicate that they are still in learning mode (I don't think that ever ends), and may not know everything about their trailer. Take, for example, the recent question on shower use. I couldn't help but notice how many folks had never used the shower in their trailer. So, if they were asked, 'Does the shower work?', what would they answer.

A friend, who has been pulling a large 5th wheeler for several years was discussing trailer brakes with my brother. He said he knew how to adjust the brakes and so forth. In the middle of the conversation he asked, 'What's the lever across the top of the controller for?' In a sell situation, if he were asked how the brakes worked how would he answer.

My brother just bought a brand new 5th wheel at a dealer. He spent 6 hours in, over and under the trailer before he bought it. He found a number of defects that were noted by the dealer, in writing, for correction before delivery.

We have become accustomed to new stuff being warrantied. And then we buy an extended warranty.

Caveat emptor................especially on used anything.

Defects found during an inspection are bargaining chips and you are already learning about what may be your new trailer....maybe even more that the current owner.

Best of luck in the search.
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:27 PM   #41
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Its not about asking questions ! Its about asking the right questions ! !
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:40 PM   #42
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Jon, I think you're doing a Pinto-Porsche comp, when you say my son's system is an eBay sale. On eBay, you don't get to touch or taste it and you eat it if the sale item is bogus. A 3 day inspection gives the egg hunter an opportunity to bring their "expert" to look over the rig.
And who says that the egg has to sell at my price. Maybe it's not worth the $3500 I have into it. It could be that the market says my Burro should be $1500. When I put the ad on Craigslist I expected 2 or 3 replies not the 27 I have to date.
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