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Old 10-29-2012, 05:48 PM   #169
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Post 2012 Lake Casitas Weigh-in

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It would be interesting if the trailer spreadsheet also showed the trailer's tow vehicle.
Here are the additions from the Lake Casitas Rally. They have been inserted into their proper place in post #1 lineup.

ITEM_LENGTH_MAKE_______MODEL________AXLE__TONGUE__ __TOTAL_____TOW VEHICLE
08___13_____Burro______B13__________1260_____260__ __1520_____2011 Honda Pilot
09___13_____Perris_____Pacer________1260_____260__ __1520_____1986 Jeep CJ
30___16_____Casita_____Liberty Dlx__2060_____280_____2340_____2011 Subaru Forrester
49___16_____Casita_____Spirit_______2640_____300__ __2940_____2006 Toyota Tacoma
58___17_____Casita_____Freedom______2620_____420__ __3040_____2003 GMC Sonoma* (unreported from Oregon Gathering)
93___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______3020_____480__ __3500_____2012 Lincoln MKT
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:28 AM   #170
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Agree with honda03842 to a point on showing TV type, but some would find a 4cyl to small even to pull a 13' trailer so may not be a good idea.
We may save on gas and be legal but there are those that feel we all need a large TV with a V8 regardless for size.
These comments are not meant to offend anyone or start a heated debate but to respect all. Some trailers do require a V8 others may need a V6 or 4cyl; the point is we must keep it legal and go with our experience and the advice of the experts. Still maybe it will change veiws about what is ok?
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Agree with honda03842 to a point on showing TV type, but some would find a 4cyl to small even to pull a 13' trailer so may not be a good idea.
We may save on gas and be legal but there are those that feel we all need a large TV with a V8 regardless for size.
These comments are not meant to offend anyone or start a heated debate but to respect all. Some trailers do require a V8 others may need a V6 or 4cyl; the point is we must keep it legal and go with our experience and the advice of the experts. Still maybe it will change veiws about what is ok?
Engine technology is changing. Seems like one of the most powerful engines in the late model Ford pickups is a turbo V-6, which is stronger than the V8. The Ford Escape 2.0 turbo 4 cylinder this year is rated to pull 3500 lbs. My non-turbo Subaru 4 cyl is rated to tow 2700 lbs and does it pretty good!

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Old 11-05-2012, 07:18 PM   #172
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Wow-

I hadn't looked at this thread for a l-o-o-o-n-g time...
When did it turn into a discussion of tow vehicles instead of a report of the actual "real world" weight of trailers???

On that subject, assuming a related question is still allowed:

Does the weight chart in post #1 reflect the addition of all the weights data reported by various posters?

Thanks- I hope!

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Does the weight chart in post #1 reflect the addition of all the weights data reported by various posters?
I used color coding to signify different variations.
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Several trailers were weighed multiple times.
Items 61 & 98 are the same trailer, it was weighed 2 times

8 trailers were weighed by others and reported in this thread.

Sorted 1st by TOTAL, 2nd by TONGUE, and 3rd by Length

ITEM_LENGTH_MAKE_______MODEL________AXLE__TONGUE__ __TOTAL
01___13_____Burro______B13___________718______90______808
06___13_____Burro______B13__________1100_____200_____1300
10___13_____U-Haul_____CT13_________1400_____150_____1550
16___13_____U-Haul_____CT13_________1440_____240_____1680
24___15_____Trillium___T4500________1804_____170_____1974
36___17_____Boler______B1700RGH_____2365_____220_____2585
53___17_____Boler______B1700________2730_____240_____2970
61___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____2670_____460_____3130
98___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____3305_____450_____3755
Line items in Purple reflect the addition of all the weights data reported by various posters. Those trailers were not weighed by me.
All other line items were weighed by me personally.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:07 PM   #174
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I used color coding to signify different variations.

Line items in Purple reflect the addition of all the weights data reported by various posters. Those trailers were not weighed by me.
All other line items were weighed by me personally.
Thanks, Frederick!

We now return the thread to whatever it was they were talking about...

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When did it turn into a discussion of tow vehicles instead of a report of the actual "real world" weight of trailers?
When I answered what I thought was Norm's simple request. I had actually collected that data for every rig that I weighed. I thought I had destroyed all of my copies of the "certificates of participation" that I gave those people who had their trailers weighed by me as soon as I created this post. I found the paperwork for the ones in post #154 in my office, and added the Tow Vehicle data in a separate post, but did not go back to post #1 and include it there.

for pointing out that the focus here is on the TRAILER.
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If we were on rv net, we'd be hearing a bunch of comments about how we all need a big diesel 3/4 ton pickup! Lol. People can view the data in the table and make their own conclusions and decisions.
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When I answered what I thought was Norm's simple request.
As if anything's ever simple, right? Shall I further muddy the waters?

In my opinion, the data would be most useful if model years were included for all tows/tugs mentioned. There are some very significant differences between earlier/later models!

Just my two cents- worth about half due to inflation

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As if anything's ever simple, right? Shall I further muddy the waters? <_<

In my opinion, the data would be most useful if model years were included for all tows/tugs mentioned. There are some very significant differences between earlier/later models!

Just my two cents- worth about half due to inflation

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True older version of our car was smaller and
Ours has:
Vehicle Stability Control (VSC)
Traction Control (TRAC)
Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS)
Electronic Brake-Force Distribution (EBD)
Brake Assist (BA)
Smart Stop Technology (SST)
Tow package:
Safety electronic traction system monitors trailer some how?
Proportional Trailer brake module
Transaxle cooler
Class III frame hitch(not just bolted to back like as class I or truck hitch)
Full size spare part of tow package
Do not think all these safety systems were available in the past

Cars and trucks are changing but ideas about what is possible is not? (in some circles)
The basic ratings are often based on basic car or truck without extra optional systems or trailer brakes.
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This thread is a *great* resource and I agree that due to the frequency that the question as to what tow vehicle can handle such and such a trailer is asked, the addition of tow vehicle info would be an added benefit. Suspect from the above comments that it might also be a surprise to some to see what their tow options may be to explore further and just how many others are actually already pulling with a fuel efficient 4 or 6 cyl that are rated by the manufacture to pull what they are pulling. Times and attitudes are indeed changing.

But it would be *really* nice as has already be suggested that the discussion as to details of the tows themselves and what the manufactures towing specs really mean was to take place on another thread. Just saying.
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In my opinion, the data would be most useful if model years were included for all tows/tugs mentioned.
um... Model years of TVs were included. I went back and edited the model years to be 4 digits instead of the original 2 digits.
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But it would be *really* nice as has already be suggested that the discussion as to details of the tows themselves and what the manufactures towing specs really mean was to take place on another thread. Just saying.
I wholeheartedly agree.
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um... Model years of TVs were included. I went back and edited the model years to be 4 digits instead of the original 2 digits.
I was thinking as much of the trailer years- rigs of the same Brand/size have gained weight over the years at nearly the same rate that Americans have!

Take Casitas, for example:

According to NADA, a 1988 16 footer's curb weight is 1500 pounds.
(1988 Casita Price, 1988 Casita Values & 1988 Casita Specs | NADAguides)
But the lightest 2012 16 footer weighs almost 500 pounds more!
(2012 Casita Price, 2012 Casita Values & 2012 Casita Specs | NADAguides)

And there's almost exactly the same 500 pound difference when it comes to the 13 footers of those same model years.

Just something for folks to keep in mind when planning/buying, I think.

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