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Old 06-30-2013, 02:34 PM   #253
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:11 AM   #254
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Interesting articles in RVBusiness Mag

Two items I found in the May/June 2013 “RVBusiness” magazine that may or may not fit in this tread are:

Cover story “Riding the Light-Weight Wave” referring to trailers. The cover page refers to light weight as (mostly) well under 7,500 lbs. In the article it points out that the all the terminology lightweight, lite-weight, ultra-light weight, ultra-lite and super-lightweight being used by the manufactures is used mainly as a marketing aspect and there are no industry guide lines to follow with the usage of the above terms.
So, knowing the actual weight before buying is the route to go.

Along these lines I was also surprised to learn the American truck manufacturers use their own standards for calculating their vehicles towing capacity making a comparison between brands more difficult. (page 78 of the same magazine)

So, I guess both the 17 and 22 foot “Oliver Travel Trailers” can fall into the ‘Light Weight” definition but certainly not the “Ultra-Lite Weight”…
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:23 AM   #255
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I weighed my 1982 Casita 13' at certified truck scales yesterday: 1,220 pounds.
Checked tongue weight at home and it was 138 pounds.

This weight was empty of everything removable; such as cushions, water, jacks, cords, battery, etc. I had left the full propane tank on the front.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:57 AM   #256
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I have added both Jack L's Bigfoot and boley's Casita to the Excel version of Fredericks's "Trailer Weights in the Real World" at LakeshoreImages.

Clicking on the link will download a copy of the spreadsheet.

Frederick has given me permission to post the spreadsheet in Excel format so the data can be accessed and sorted directly. Again, I will update the spreadsheet as individuals post or email me their information.

My email is vermilye@oswego.edu and it has been posted so many times I have no problems with posting it!
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:15 AM   #257
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Along these lines I was also surprised to learn the American truck manufacturers use their own standards for calculating their vehicles towing capacity making a comparison between brands more difficult. (page 78 of the same magazine) Weight”
Thomas G ? I was of the understanding that the ASAE had set a standard for determining the tow rating of a vehicle (Based on suspension , steering, braking ,acceleration ETC . I also read that all the domestic truck manufacturers had agreed to the standard but several foreign truck manufactures had not. Am I mistaken or under a false interpretation of the article I read ?
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:55 AM   #258
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I was of the understanding that the ASAE had set a standard for determining the tow rating of a vehicle (Based on suspension , steering, braking ,acceleration ETC . I also read that all the domestic truck manufacturers had agreed to the standard but several foreign truck manufactures had not. Am I mistaken or under a false interpretation of the article I read ?

Well all the domestic truck manufactures did agree as did the foreign companies..... but then it was most of the NA manufacturers that decided to bail out on it for 2013 which was suppose to be the first year they all did it .... looks like it may have been Ford who back out first, followed by GM and Chrysler. Funny enough it is the foreign truck manufacture Toyota (as well as a few others) who continued to use the ASAE.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:21 AM   #259
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Thomas G ? I was of the understanding that the ASAE had set a standard for determining the tow rating of a vehicle (Based on suspension , steering, braking ,acceleration ETC . I also read that all the domestic truck manufacturers had agreed to the standard but several foreign truck manufactures had not. Am I mistaken or under a false interpretation of the article I read ?
Yes, they agreed and then they didn't. The problem was phasing it in such that one manufacturer did not have a perceived advantage in towing capacity during the phase in.

I'm sure eventually everyone will use the SAE J2807.

Standardized Tow Ratings: Why Automakers Aren't Using Them -- Edmunds.com
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:03 PM   #260
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Hit a weigh station on the way home from the Oregon Gathering. 1974 Hunter 1 with new cabinets in the rear loaded to the gills with gear 1800 lbs. No tongue weight available at the time but my husband (250 lbs) was able to climb in the back without jacks or it being hooked up and it didn't flip up on him. 2010 Subaru Forrester towed it with no problem.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:11 PM   #261
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Hit a weigh station on the way home from the Oregon Gathering. 1974 Hunter 1 with new cabinets in the rear loaded to the gills with gear 1800 lbs. No tongue weight available at the time but my husband (250 lbs) was able to climb in the back without jacks or it being hooked up and it didn't flip up on him. 2010 Subaru Forrester towed it with no problem.
Is that 1800 lbs with the trailer unhooked?
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Is that 1800 lbs with the trailer unhooked?
Yes, I was surprised it was so heavy.
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:45 PM   #263
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Yes, I was surprised it was so heavy.
THIS STATEMENT is very common when folks finally weigh their OWN trailers.
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Hi,
Now that the fridge and furnace have been installed, I finally got the Dolphin to the scale. With one propane tank and the battery, everything else empty, it weighed in at 1700 lbs. The tongue weight was 172 with a bathroom scale.
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:35 AM   #265
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I weighed my 1982 Casita 13' at certified truck scales yesterday: 1,220 pounds.
Checked tongue weight at home and it was 138 pounds.

This weight was empty of everything removable; such as cushions, water, jacks, cords, battery, etc. I had left the full propane tank on the front.

Not sure I understand....is the 1220 lbs the weight of the trailer axle when hooked up? (ie: total weight is about 1360?)
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:42 AM   #266
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Weighed our 1981 13' Casita yesterday on a certified truck scale while hooked up to our TV, and then the TV itself. They also had seperate axle weights, so we were able to see what the weight of the trailer axle was when coupled, and thus were able to find the real world tongue weight as we tow it now.

Weighed the Casita with our usual traveling gear in it. (No water in tanks, nothing in fridge, but dishes, blankets, etc in trailer. Propane tank was on and nearly full, but battery is carried in Tow Vehicle.)

Total weight: 1380
Axle weight: 1220
Tongue weight: ~160

It's hard to tell, but the trailer has looked like it could be raised a bit. Had a 1" taller hitch ball on order already, so hopefully that takes some weight off of the tongue.

While the 1981 Casita still has an inside height around 5'10" unlike most newer FGRVs, it weighs a lot. (About the same as new Scamps, it seems?) From what I can tell, the old Casita has a much more substantial frame than many of the newer FGRVs. (Overkill?) Not surprised that's changed in the last 30 years. Taller shells now are likely heavier, and the single tube ladder frames are lighter.

Also: My 1981 Casita is pretty much all original (No A/C added or somethign like that), and has 3-way fridge and the furnace as well.
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