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Old 05-13-2014, 02:44 PM   #15
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How much are you and your family worth?
I can tell you from experience, towing a boat with a Subaru wagon ( of old ) that almost not stopping at the bottom of a long hill, almost getting t-boned on a major highway, almost killing all of us, that you need those brakes.
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Old 05-13-2014, 03:10 PM   #16
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No, my reasoning is it's 300 bucks to install the box etc when I'll only have the car another year. Subaru recommends brakes too over 1000 pounds. And then another 300 plus the 800 to install for the next vehicle...which I may not lease...buy.
I think you may want to reconsider your trailer purchase for this summer until you can pick a vehicle with the capacity to handle the 13' Scamp you are wishing to tow with it. The Outback would probable be a much better fit for the trailer if you are wanting to stick to a Subaru.

I towed with a Subaru for years but a larger version (Outback) and I would never tow anything over a 1000lbs behind it without full trailer brakes connected as per the owners manual. Also there are laws that require you to have brakes on the trailer under certain conditions and one of them is often in regards to the trailers weight in relationship to the vehicle towing it. Pretty sure as the CrossTeck only weighs about 3000lbs itself you will fall into that category for sure & need brakes not just because Subaru says so.

Not to mention the Scamp 13' you are wanting once loaded for camping with be well over the 1500lb towing capacity of the Crossteck.

See the thread Real World Trailer Weights for clarification on that - Scamps have a weight range from a low of 1620 lbs to a high of 2020lbs. All but one weighed in with a tongue weight that is not over your 200lb tongue weight specification set by Subaru - so even if you find a way to keep the total weight below 1500lbs (which based on your options isn't going to happen) don't plan on carrying anything in the back of the car when its connected.

Per Subaru the options for the Cross Over reads "Trailer hitch, 1.25", wired, includes insert. The Crosstrek is rated for 1500lbs towing with trailer brakes, 1000 lbs without. $498"

Here is the problem you have. I recently asked a few vehicle manufactures what the actual class of hitch was they put on at the factory & was told they don't use of Class # system anymore. (its not just small SUV's this is happening with - happened with my current truck as well). As the hitch put on at the factory & specially designed for the vehicle is only rated to the towing capacity of the vehicle it is attached to - similar to how it is done in Europe.

Any which way I am willing to bet that Subaru wouldn't/didn't put anything more than a Class I hitch on the CrossTeck regardless - which means its only good for up to 2000lbs - which you again would be very close to or exceed attaching a 13' Scamp to it. Assuming of course Subaru didn't in fact put a specially designed hitch of the car that is in fact only rated to 1500lbs as the options listing seems to suggest is the case..... which means you would not only be over your total towing capacity but the hitch capacity as well.... add to that no trailer brakes.... humm not a pretty picture forming in my mind!

Its a cute little vehicle it just wasn't designed to pull safely the trailer you were hoping to pull with it.

EDIT: Forgot to mention looking at your list of options I would say it would be a pretty safe bet your trailer will be at the high end of the Real World Weights listed.
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I've been hanging on every word guys! Brakes it is! Next...scamp just replied to yet another email to say the scamp we've ordered with AC, fridge, furnace gr 27 batt and propane weighs about 1000 pounds. I'm very suspicious and now a nervous Nellie...again.
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WHEW!

Glad that's settled...there'll be no stoppin' you now!...wait...that sounds wrong...oh, you know what I mean.

As for weight:

Do remember that Scamp can only give you actual curb weight- they have no control over how many gold bricks etc. folks put in the trailer. Since Subaru already told you that in this case a couple of hundred pounds over 1500 isn't the end of the world I probably wouldn't sweat it.
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If you're concerned enough that it could be a dealbreaker: Member Steve Dunham got Scamp to send him some actual weight tickets when he was shopping for his 16er. (They have to weigh them if they're being shipped, cause that's how the movers charge.)

He got weights for both the 13 and the 16- didn't mention to us what the weights of the 13ers was, but he might still have those numbers.
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Old 05-13-2014, 05:16 PM   #19
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I'm willing to bet your title will say 1000 pounds too. Our 13 with front washroom fridge stove furnace etc had 1000 pounds on the title. Never had it weighed though as not an issue with full size pickup
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I've been hanging on every word guys! Brakes it is! Next...scamp just replied to yet another email to say the scamp we've ordered with AC, fridge, furnace gr 27 batt and propane weighs about 1000 pounds. I'm very suspicious and now a nervous Nellie...again.
who did you talk to at Scamp?????

Per the Scamp Website under the standard 13' Scamp it reads 1200- 1500lbs! Thats a Standard dry weight - does not include your fridge, furnace or AC and no propane in the tank! or the approx. 500lbs of your own stuff you will stuff into it! Don't think you will put that much into it! You wait and weigh all the bedding, food, clothing, Pots and pans and dishes etc you put into it.

Believe the Real World Trailer Weights thread! That is why it is called REAL WORLD!
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Just because they updated the website doesn't mean they updated the sales people lol
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Just because they updated the website doesn't mean they updated the sales people lol
LOL - yup so true.

Here is the thing that more than one person new to travel trailers has gotten themselves into a little trouble.

The 1000lbs they are quoting is a known as a DRY weight. That weight does not include much of anything - no battery, no propane tank, no awning, no fridge, no ac, no stove top, no hot water tank, gravel shield, screen door, rear cabinets etc etc etc....
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Since Subaru already told you that in this case a couple of hundred pounds over 1500 isn't the end of the world I probably wouldn't sweat it.
I think you might want to reread from the top Francesca. NO WHERE has it been said the Subaru says they are ok with them pulling a couple of hunded pounds more than 1500lbs tow spec!! In fact I can't see where its been suggest they said its ok to even pull 1 pound over.
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I was VERY specific with our salesman, Jim, for all the reasons above. I wasn't comfortable with the way he was (and still is) evading the real world weight business. He was too vague. That is why I'm here. You all are so great to answer our questions so honestly with specifics that work in the "real world". I think our vehicle is just not enough car to take those retirement trips to Florida. We have a pop up now and you'd never know it was there, no brakes, but only 975 pounds. We may keep it two more years till we can get to the next step. The scamp is the answer but we haven't quite retired yet either. We may end up in a silver eagle!
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I think you might want to reread from the top Francesca. NO WHERE has it been said the Subaru says they are ok with them pulling a couple of hunted pounds more than 1500lbs tow spec!! In fact I can't see where its been suggest they said its ok to even pull 1 pound over.
No problem with my reading/comprehension skills... my post presumes there's no reason to question the veracity of Bobbi's reported conversation with Subaru, here quoting relevant lines from the threadstarter:
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I'm trying to get a final weight on the thing. I know it's close to my limit (Subaru wasn't even remotely worried when I told them our plans). .
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No, my reasoning is it's 300 bucks to install the box etc when I'll only have the car another year. Subaru recommends brakes too over 1000 pounds. And then another 300 plus the 800 to install for the next vehicle...which I may not lease...buy.
Soooo...... You are willing to tow over limit for the vehicle and endanger your family as well as others on the road, and this is your first experience towing???

Please let us know you route from Bacus to home so we won't be collateral damage when something goes terribly wrong with that combination.

BTW: As a often mention, let your insurance company know what you plan to do as well. They won't be to happy to continue your coverage when you engage in such dangerous practices.

Basic Towing Rule #1 DO IT RIGHT, OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL!!!!!
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Wow Bob, if you had actually read the thread you would never have said that. We just learned way more about you than you bargained for, I bet
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Most of us are on the same page you are, Bobbi; here quoting from your post (number 17 in this string):
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I've been hanging on every word guys! Brakes it is!
Question re. the rig you have at present:
Have you been towing your PUP with the car under discussion here, and if so have you actually weighed that trailer?

I ask because that 975 pounds sounds light even for a PUP, depending on vintage. Could that be manufacturer's stated weight before loading? You might actually be towing more weight than you think you are, which would certainly shed some light on the capability of your tow vehicle.
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