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02-05-2016, 03:36 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Doug
Trailer: Escape
California
Posts: 216
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TV mud flaps vs TT gravel shield
I am contemplating a trip to Alaska next year and am thinking about how to protect my Scamp 16 from the inevitable gravel. Just wondering if anyone has experience & opinions on serious TV mud flaps (like Enkay Rock Tamers Adjustable Mud Flaps - RealTruck.com) or some gravel shield attached to the trailer. Perhaps both is best. Any ideas on what makes a good gravel shield on the front of trailer? I am thinking of some rubber like think film layer glued to the front surface of the fiberglass (preferably in white to match Scamp.
Thanks.
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02-05-2016, 05:31 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Dave
Trailer: Casita SD17 2006 "Missing Link"
California
Posts: 3,738
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I think you're in luck Doug, one of our members makes that trip every year. Don't remember his name right now, dang, hate this getting old stuff. There have been a number of posts for mud flaps also that should come up in a search.
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02-05-2016, 07:11 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Casita Spirit Deluxe 2003 16 ft
Posts: 1,899
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I bought the Rock Tamers for when I was towing with two separate F150s. I don't use them with the Flex I use now. I thought they were good quality. I never suffered a chip with them but then neither have I without them. Nor have I traveled far on dirt or gravel roads. Other tow vehicles I used were Explorers. I think pick-em-up bodies sit higher off the ground, even towing, giving a clear path for gravel to be flung at the trailer from the tire patch.
At the time I didn't have my WDH. These days I'd have to check that the WDH stinger sticks out enough. Somewhere on their site they give a recommended gap. It's not on the installation instructions. My WDH sticks out quite a way so I'm pretty sure I could use it with my Reese.
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02-05-2016, 09:06 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Bigfoot 17' DLX
Alaska
Posts: 384
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As Dave mentioned, I do this trip twice a year. Flying gravel is a big problem and while mud guards will help with the stuff flying down low, a lot of it is coming at you at windshield level and higher. Mud guards aren't going to help with that.
On the stretch of the Alcan above Dawson Creek, and pretty much all the way through BC, the highway is paved but there are so many vehicles entering the highway from the oil and gas fields that there is a constant supply of gravel being introduced onto the pavement. Trucks then pick this up and fling it in all directions at high velocity. Windshield strikes are common, as are strikes on the front of the trailer. I had a Bigfoot, which has a large frontal area. You might be a little better off in the Scamp, but it will take some hits regardless of what kind of mud guards you have (as will your TV).
In the Yukon Territory, between Beaver Creek and Destruction Bay on the Alcan, there are many lengthy stretches of unpaved gravel road. You might be traveling on these sections at speeds that will pick up and fling gravel all over the place. Good mud guards will help keep your tongue and chassis from getting pounded but it will still be a mess. But, again, it's the trucks going in the opposite direction, many traveling at high speed, that will shower your trailer and TV with high velocity gravel. Be prepared.
BTW, when going north, after crossing into Alaska, your TV and trailer will probably be a mess. My favorite place to wash them off is the Tok RV Village in Tok, Alaska. They have a really nice self-service RV wash. Going south, I use the one at Pioneer RV Park in Whitehorse. Bring a handful of loonies.
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02-05-2016, 10:01 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Bob Ruggles
Trailer: 2015 Escape
Michigan
Posts: 1,537
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On three Alaska trips the only two damage incidents were a flying rock breaking a window in the camper. Happened in Montana. The other I backed into a retaining wall in Tok breaking loose the one of the camper jacks. Most damage I saw on other vehicles came from driving too fast.
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02-05-2016, 10:06 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Bigfoot 17' DLX
Alaska
Posts: 384
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That's nice. You've been lucky. I've done the trip eight times and all I can say is, "Expect the unexpected". You can drive as slowly as you want but the oncoming trucks have a different agenda.
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02-05-2016, 10:39 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp 16 ft Side Dinette
Posts: 1,279
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[QUOTE=trainjunkie;570097]As Dave mentioned, I do this trip twice a year. Flying gravel is a big problem and while mud guards will help with the stuff flying down low, a lot of it is coming at you at windshield level and higher. Mud guards aren't going to help with that.
Contrary to popular belief, the trucks (and all other vehicles) don't actually throw the rocks at you. They toss the rocks into the air, and you run into them. It helps to slow down and steer as far away as you can from the oncoming traffic. And don't follow too close.
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02-05-2016, 11:34 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Bigfoot 17' DLX
Alaska
Posts: 384
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Collins
Contrary to popular belief, the trucks (and all other vehicles) don't actually throw the rocks at you. They toss the rocks into the air, and you run into them. It helps to slow down and steer as far away as you can from the oncoming traffic. And don't follow too close.
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That may happen, but that is not the whole story. In the stretches of road I mentioned, it's the ONCOMING trucks, going in the OPPOSITE direction that cause the most damage in my experience. What happens is they pick up a rock in their tire tread, and as the tire spins around, the rock ejects going forward, right at you. It's like a pinwheel effect. I've had rocks come straight at me that were large enough for me to actually watch the whole thing unfold from the instant the truck tire flung it in my direction.
Go as slowly as you want but that isn't going to matter when the rock is coming straight at you like a bullet. I've even been hit by them while I was standing still, including one time I pulled to the side of the road coming into Fort Nelson and was securing a tie-down on my roof rack when a truck on the opposite side of the highway going the opposite direction flung a rock at me and hit my rib cage on the left side while my arms were reaching for the roof. Left a nice bruise there for a couple weeks.
Just another day on the Alcan.
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02-05-2016, 01:19 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Kathleen (Kai: ai as in wait)
Trailer: Amerigo FG-16 1973 "Peanut"
Greater Seattle Metropolitan Area, Washington
Posts: 2,566
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Hey, adventurers! Good information and stories. Suddenly a lot less "thrilled" with the idea of the Alcan. Especially with a low-slung rig like the amerigo (1' clearance). Maybe we'll stick closer to paved civilization after all. But good luck to those who are willing! Adventurers, all.
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02-05-2016, 01:41 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Bigfoot 17' DLX
Alaska
Posts: 384
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1'...as in one foot? That's plenty of ground clearance. My BF had less than that. Ground clearance isn't a huge issue if you do it in the summer.
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02-05-2016, 02:47 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Kathleen (Kai: ai as in wait)
Trailer: Amerigo FG-16 1973 "Peanut"
Greater Seattle Metropolitan Area, Washington
Posts: 2,566
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trainjunkie
1'...as in one foot? That's plenty of ground clearance. My BF had less than that. Ground clearance isn't a huge issue if you do it in the summer.
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Yes, it claims 1' of clearance...Paul just measured one foot from driveway to fiberglass. I expect some things hang lower, but the glass actually laps over the frame, which is a little higher.
So that's not too low for the Alcan? Of course we'd go in the summer...though I hear the mosquitoes can be big enough to lift a small dog...what months actually constitute an Alcan summer?
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02-05-2016, 03:53 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Bigfoot 17' DLX
Alaska
Posts: 384
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Ground clearance is really not as much of an issue as one might think. Going in and out of driveways and over speed humps in the city can be just as bad as anything you'll encounter on the Alcan. The only reason I lifted my vintage Bigfoot 4-inches, besides the fact that the original suspension was completely shot and needed to be replaced anyway, was to get the waste water valves up a little higher because, even going in and out of driveways, they scraped.
I'd say the MOST important thing to consider before an Alaska trip is to just make sure your trailer and TV are in excellent mechanical shape. There are stretches of nothingness out there that would spell disaster if you were to break down so my emphasis in getting prepared for the trip has always been on mechanical reliability.
The "season" is generally late May through mid-September but the weather can alter that a bit shortening the season on one end or the other. I made my first trip up there in the winter of 2011-12, which we later referred to as "Snowmageddon" in Alaska. There was snow on the ground in Anchorage into July. But the following year we had very little snow so you just never know. My absolute favorite time of year is in the fall, but by mid-September, things have the potential to get ugly, and the ground may start to freeze, so a lot of services and RV parks farther north are shut down by then. Still lots of opportunity in BC though.
Yes, the mosquitoes can get ugly. It's the State bird in Alaska you know? I work outdoors in Alaska and don't mess with anything other than 100% Deet. But I only use it when necessary and it's surprising how little I actually have to use in the course of the year. Like everything up there, just be prepared.
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02-05-2016, 10:54 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Doug
Trailer: Escape
California
Posts: 216
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Thanks for all the info. The road conditions and RV washes are good to know about. I had not thought about the debris coming off the trucks so that's a good point. Not sure why I was not thinking about it though, all the windshields I have replaced in my life so far has been from rocks & debris coming from trucks (on otherwise good paved roads). I think the mud flaps are probably a good idea but only solves part of the problem. Sounds like I will just have to accept some amount of damage as part of the cost of the trip.
So trainjunkie (Mike), in your trips have you been up as far as Coldfoot? Part of my goal is to go see the midnight sun.
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02-06-2016, 08:26 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Kathleen (Kai: ai as in wait)
Trailer: Amerigo FG-16 1973 "Peanut"
Greater Seattle Metropolitan Area, Washington
Posts: 2,566
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trainjunkie
Ground clearance is really not as much of an issue as one might think. Going in and out of driveways and over speed humps in the city can be just as bad as anything you'll encounter on the Alcan. The only reason I lifted my vintage Bigfoot 4-inches, besides the fact that the original suspension was completely shot and needed to be replaced anyway, was to get the waste water valves up a little higher because, even going in and out of driveways, they scraped.
I'd say the MOST important thing to consider before an Alaska trip is to just make sure your trailer and TV are in excellent mechanical shape. There are stretches of nothingness out there that would spell disaster if you were to break down so my emphasis in getting prepared for the trip has always been on mechanical reliability.
The "season" is generally late May through mid-September but the weather can alter that a bit shortening the season on one end or the other. I made my first trip up there in the winter of 2011-12, which we later referred to as "Snowmageddon" in Alaska. There was snow on the ground in Anchorage into July. But the following year we had very little snow so you just never know. My absolute favorite time of year is in the fall, but by mid-September, things have the potential to get ugly, and the ground may start to freeze, so a lot of services and RV parks farther north are shut down by then. Still lots of opportunity in BC though.
Yes, the mosquitoes can get ugly. It's the State bird in Alaska you know? I work outdoors in Alaska and don't mess with anything other than 100% Deet. But I only use it when necessary and it's surprising how little I actually have to use in the course of the year. Like everything up there, just be prepared.
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Never even thought about washing the rig on a trip...good idea! I had heard the mosquito was the Alaska state bird...we should bring our bird book and binoculars and hope to see some of their nests and fledglings!
Thanks for the advice and encouragement. Putting the Alcan back on our consideirng as a trip list.
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02-06-2016, 09:04 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
Posts: 700
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How about fabricating some shields similar to those on Airstream trailers (they call them "segment protectors", Google that).
Could probably be made out of light aluminium square tubing or angle, with a sheet of corrugated plastic (Coroplast). That would offer good protection for the lower front corners of the trailer.
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02-06-2016, 10:29 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Bigfoot 17' DLX
Alaska
Posts: 384
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DougOlson
So trainjunkie (Mike), in your trips have you been up as far as Coldfoot? Part of my goal is to go see the midnight sun.
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Doug,
No, my "commute" between Alaska and California is, unfortunately, not for recreation. I work in Alaska seasonally, anywhere from 6 to 8 months a year, so I'm either going to work, or going to California to see my family and I usually give myself 5-1/2 to 6 days to do the entire trip.
One of these days though I want to do the Dalton Highway. I live in Anchorage but sometimes work in Fairbanks so if I'm ever working there and get a few days off, I'll probably drive to Prudhoe Bay, or at least the to edge of the Arctic Circle. But you can get plenty of "midnight sun" action almost anywhere in Alaska. Even in Anchorage when it's close to summer solstice the sun never totally sets, which for people like me who work outdoors, and often at nights, is a real treat.
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02-06-2016, 11:44 AM
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Commercial Member
Name: Ian
Trailer: 1974 Boler 1300 - 2014 Escape 19'
Alberta
Posts: 1,380
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Lots of good information in this thread.
I made the trip several years ago through Skagway, Dawson City over the Top-Of-The-World highway to Tok and town to Haines with my Boler.
It only has about 7" of ground clearance and I never had a problem. Originally the Boler had a gravel shield across the front and when I removed it there was significant rock damage to the gel coat behind it. I am now using Rock Tamers on my 4Runner. At times I get some mud splattered on the front but to date no rock damage, I really like the way they are performing.
As already mentioned much of the damage from rocks and gravel comes from passing vehicles that toss it into the air and you run into it ... slow down. Also watch out for the frost heaves on the smooth highways, they can sneak up on you and yes, a boler can become airborne.
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02-06-2016, 01:39 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Kathleen (Kai: ai as in wait)
Trailer: Amerigo FG-16 1973 "Peanut"
Greater Seattle Metropolitan Area, Washington
Posts: 2,566
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As Paul keeps filing more and more holes in the amerigo, all this talk of rock damage makes me just cringe!
At some point, when she's all fixed up and ready to go, we'll start going backwards again, with her aging once more. Right now she's in the "fountain of youth" being rejuvenated. I kind of hate to think about RE- reversing time and damage--
But after all, what else is the amerigo for?
Can't make am omelet without breaking a few eggs.
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02-06-2016, 01:49 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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