USFS campground fee rules variations - Page 2 - Fiberglass RV


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-16-2007, 01:09 PM   #15
Junior Member
 
Trailer: Bigfoot 21 ft
Posts: 16
Just a thought. I tow my Bigfoot 21' and carry a Honda Trail 90 motorcycle in a rack on the front of my truck. Would I have been charged for three vehicle?

Texas Charles
__________________

__________________
Charles Richerson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2007, 04:58 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Mike-B's Avatar
 
Trailer: Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel Custom Deluxe
Posts: 123
I checked with the USFS office today and was told that a car/truck and trailer combo was not considered any different than a motorhome. Extra vehicle means extra vehicle, ie toad, second car, overnight visitors with car etc. Just came back from the COE park just around the corner from me and was told the same thing. However, I am in the midwest, Table Rock Lake MO. Our interpretation of the rule book may vary from the West Coast. Being a high tourist area, we are very tourist friendly. PS Weather is sunny, 72 degrees, and gas is $2.58 today. Think I'll go camping, with Golden age pass, COE is $8.50/night with E/W. Mike-B
__________________

__________________
Mike-B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2007, 07:20 PM   #17
Moderator
 
Gina D.'s Avatar
 
Name: Gina D.
Trailer: '77 Leocraft 17 & Former Burro owner and fan!
West Coast USA
Posts: 9,016
Registry
Thanks for checking that Mike..

I knew I wasn't .

For So. Cal, this place is cheap (10 bones for a single) and with my Golden Access, it's half as cheap, so it isn't a money thing. I would still happily pay it if it WERE the case.
__________________
Gina D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2007, 08:29 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
jack smith's Avatar
 
Name: Jack
Trailer: Scampless in Oregon
Oregon
Posts: 110
Quote:
Thanks for checking that Mike..

I knew I wasn't .

For So. Cal, this place is cheap (10 bones for a single) and with my Golden Access, it's half as cheap, so it isn't a money thing. I would still happily pay it if it WERE the case.
Sounds to me like the low level beaurocrats are making it up as they go....

A good buddy of mine refers to them as: "PWP" (peons with power!)
__________________
jack smith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2007, 09:29 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
BOBSMITH's Avatar
 
Trailer: 2002 Casita Freedom Deluxe / 2007 Nissan Frontier King Cab
Posts: 729
Sounds like jerks at work.

Every place I've ever been has considered a vehicle to be the tow vehicle. The trailer is not counted as a "vehicle". I routinely meet up with friends and/or relatives who join us overnight at our campsite in National Forests. Most rules say one trailer and one tent per site, and two vehicles. No campground host has ever told us that our trailer is counted as a "vehicle". To do so is ridiculous.

Here is my trailer and truck at Hurricane Campground in Virgnia (National Forest Campground). One trailer and only one vehicle.
Attached Thumbnails
IMG_0318.JPG  
__________________
BOBSMITH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2007, 09:58 PM   #20
Moderator
 
Gina D.'s Avatar
 
Name: Gina D.
Trailer: '77 Leocraft 17 & Former Burro owner and fan!
West Coast USA
Posts: 9,016
Registry
Let me clarify that the HOSTS were far from jerks, and they have been questioned on it by others well before we ever did. They actually question it as well, but since they are not a concession (This is one of the few FS campgrounds left that are NOT run by concessionaires) they were only following orders of the district ranger, thier boss.

They DID call thier boss and they did check for me. They were not argumentative, to the contrary, they were very accomidating. Most hosts would have not even bothered.

I am a "regular" there in the winter, and they most certainly would rather have me there than a majority of the "types" they get in on weekends, so they did make an effort to keep me happy. (And they did stretch the rules so that our group would be assured spots in a first come/first serve campground)

I hold nothing against them at all.

I will say tho, that I am sure it is an interpretation error on the rangers part, and he probably is not very flexible.

I am just suprised the FS hasn't called them on it, it would seem the accounting is off. The fees are on your slip, so I am sure it is going in no ones pocket but the gubmints.
__________________
Gina D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2007, 12:27 AM   #21
Senior Member
 
peterh's Avatar
 
Name: Peter
Trailer: 2005 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Oregon
Posts: 1,519
Registry
Quote:
Just a thought. I tow my Bigfoot 21' and carry a Honda Trail 90 motorcycle in a rack on the front of my truck. Would I have been charged for three vehicle?

Texas Charles
Absolutely. And if you left your rollerskates outside that'd be another two vehicles to pay for.
__________________
peterh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2007, 01:26 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
Brian B-P's Avatar
 
Name: Brian
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Alberta
Posts: 5,000
Quote:
Okay, here's the "site detail" from a favorite Corps of Engineers park:
Site Details...
[b] * Max. # of Vehicle:2
* Max. Vehicle Length:55
Since no one is likely to allow a 55-foot trailer or motorhome, a specification allowing a 55-ft vehicle presumably means to include a combined tug and trailer as a single "vehicle".

Even if a spec says "vehicle" and omits "motor", the trailer could be considered to be part of a combined articulated motor vehicle, as long as they stay hooked up.

If people running businesses want to play games with wording, ignoring the obvious intent of the rules, they should expect their customers to play the same game.
__________________
1979 Boler B1700RGH, pulled by 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 2WD
Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
STATUS: No longer active in forum.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2007, 02:49 PM   #23
Administrator
 
Mary F's Avatar
 
Name: Mary
Trailer: Escape 21; (formerly Casita LD 17 & 16)
Texas
Posts: 9,710
Registry
I think that maximum vehicle length is just the length of the driveway at that particular campsite. (The maximums vary.)

But, yeah, it's a bit imprecise to word it that way.
__________________
Mary F Fiberglass Rules!
________________________________
FGRV Forum Custom Search
Mary F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2007, 05:16 PM   #24
Senior Member
 
Byron Kinnaman's Avatar
 
Name: Byron
Trailer: 2006 Scamp 13' towed with a 2005 Dodge Dakota 4.7l Magnum W/full tow package (over kill)
Oregon
Posts: 6,308
Registry
I got curious and sent an email off to ask about definition of an extra vehicle. Here's the response.

Byron,

I brought this up, and apparently there is some national level discussion
on your topic. I am looking into it on the San Bernardino to see if we
are counting travel trailers as a combo vehicle or extra.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

John Miller
Public Affairs
US Forest Service / San Bernardino National Forest
909-382-2788
__________________
Byron & Anne enjoying the everyday Saturday thing.
Byron Kinnaman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2007, 06:14 PM   #25
Moderator
 
Gina D.'s Avatar
 
Name: Gina D.
Trailer: '77 Leocraft 17 & Former Burro owner and fan!
West Coast USA
Posts: 9,016
Registry
It will be interesting to see what he comes back with.
__________________
Gina D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2007, 11:09 PM   #26
Senior Member
 
Palmer M's Avatar
 
Trailer: 2005 16 ft Casita Spirit Deluxe / 1996 Dakota 4x4 V6
Posts: 186
Gina, neither the hosts nor their ranger you're dealing with understand the spirit of the rule.

When I first took out insurance on the micronaut, I was surprised it was inexpensive.
My insurer explained that once it was hitched to the truck, they were considered one vehicle, so it was just a rider
on the truck policy because the "one" combined vehicle had greater value than the truck alone.

It is very specious to consider the travel trailer a separate vehicle once it is unhitched.
When unhitched, it has about the same "vehicle" characteristics as a tent, that is to say, none.
(Unless you forgot to chock your wheels! )

If I were faced with mindless bureaucrats insisting on extra payment, I would have argued until
blue in the face against their logic, no matter how petty the extra charge.

Using logic, you could have asked them, "How many vehicles did I arrive in?". Answer: One.
If you arrived in one vehicle, how could separating the two halves of the one vehicle possibly result in two vehicles?!

How could you have two vehicles present, when you arrived in one vehicle, have not departed and come back, and no one has joined you?
Separating the ONE articulated vehicle does not in any logic make it TWO vehicles, especially if one half is immovable under its own power.
Leaving your trailer behind for the day is, for occupation purposes, exactly the same as leaving a tent set up.

If I were up against this, I would leave the trailer, and on the second night, park the truck outside the park and WALK in. When they come for the fees,
point out that you only have HALF a vehicle and demand half off your already half-off discount! That'd show 'em!

The idiots you were dealing with may have been nice and hospitable, but they were still idiots.
Nowhere I have been would anybody interpret "2 vehicles" to be anything but two motorcars.

P

On Edit: Obviously the SPIRIT of this rule is to prevent congregations of group campers and/or "party-ers" from overrunning the family campgrounds.
__________________
Palmer M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2007, 11:41 PM   #27
Senior Member
 
Palmer M's Avatar
 
Trailer: 2005 16 ft Casita Spirit Deluxe / 1996 Dakota 4x4 V6
Posts: 186
When you are hitched up, you have one vehicle on a campsite.

When you are unhitched, you have one vehicle and one occupied campsite.

I think that is the intended interpretation of the rule.

P
__________________
Palmer M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2007, 03:38 PM   #28
Senior Member
 
David and Nancy's Avatar
 
Name: David
Trailer: Bigfoot 25 ft (25B25RQ)
Colorado
Posts: 288
I'm a retired ranger (NPS) myself and sincerely believe that the hosts at Gina's campground are very wrong. However, I don't think the solution is to label the volunteer campground hosts as "peons with power", "jerks", "mindless bureaucrats", or "idiots". There is a chain of command at the US Forest Service. You can send letters up the line and you WILL get a response. The hosts answer to a Recreation Planner, and District Ranger at the local District office. The District Ranger answers to a Forest Supervisor, who answers to a Regional Director who answers to a Director in Washington DC who answers to the Secretary of Agriculture. You get the idea. Believe it or not, squeaky wheels will get greased if heard by the right bureaucrat.

So happy to be retired,
Dave
__________________

__________________
David and Nancy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
BBQ rules Rick kl Jokes, Stories & Tall Tales 1 05-07-2009 06:07 AM
Texas Rules Benita Jokes, Stories & Tall Tales 3 08-01-2008 02:06 PM
Old Guys Rules Adrian W General Chat 5 05-03-2008 11:15 PM
Campground rules? Chris Z Problem Solving | Owners Helping Owners 11 03-05-2006 04:36 PM
House Rules General Chat 0 12-31-1969 07:00 PM

» Upcoming Events
No events scheduled in
the next 465 days.
» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.