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Old 06-24-2014, 10:47 AM   #29
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It would not be at all foolish to get a V6 4Runner, but you may enjoy and appreciate the V8 more if you tow through some Rocky Mountain passes or up any lengthy grades. It's a choice between getting by ok or having power to spare.
My original TV was a V6, towing a 16 ft. Scamp SD .I found the combination to be "Totally Inadequate" . I now tow my 17 Ft. Casita with a Hemi V8 which I find "Barely Adequate" What one wants , or will accept or needs in a tow vehicle is highly subjective . I recently drove a 3/4 ton diesel powered TV ,towing a 32 ft 5th wheel and found the diesel to be " More than Adequate" . Many vehicles on paper have an adequate tow rating for our intended purpose but in reality do not measure up to what I want in a TV.
Gas mileage is not the only consideration in a TV
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Old 06-24-2014, 01:34 PM   #30
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Steve, you're right about the subjectiveness. My HL went from "quite adequate" to "barely adequate", even though it's the same vehicle and it still runs as well as ever.
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Old 06-24-2014, 01:59 PM   #31
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In your opinion, who makes a good 6 cylinder diesel? I have been looking at buying a new diesel truck and would appreciate any suggestions.
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Detroit, Series 60,... perhaps the most ubiquitous 6CYL diesel of the last quarter century, and certainly up to the task at hand!
Stuffing one into a small SUV might be a bit of a challenge though.
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We towed our 16er with a Chrysler Town and Country for a couple of years and it did ok, although you definitely knew the trailer was back there. It was AWD and had the factory tow package and the mileage with the trailer would drop down to 13 mpg. Overdrive would have to always be off and the engine would be turning at quite a clip, limiting top speed. I just completed a 3200 mile trip with a Ford Expedition and couldn't be happier with the change. Granted, we got 12 mpg but it wasn't that far off of what the van used to get. This was also at 75 mph all day long. I really liked the stability that the heavier weight of the Expedition gave me.
We just completed a couple hundred mile maiden voyage with our “new” 1988 Scamp 16 and although I did not keep gas mileage records I was pleasantly surprised with how little the gauge moved, albeit on a short trip. My old F150 with smallish V8 gets around 16 MPG average when not towing, if it drops to 12 or 13 dragging the Scamp I sure as heck am not down-sizing to a smaller tow rig. The F150 is not a daily driver (I have a Toyota Corolla for that), and has lllloooooonnnnnngggggg since been paid for. For the $600 or so for tag & insurance the old Ford costs me a year I cannot justify upgrading my TV. At least until I retire and buy a NEW Scamp/Casita/Escape/Park Liner/Trillium/etc. (a man has to have a dream).
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Detroit, Series 60,... perhaps the most ubiquitous 6CYL diesel of the last quarter century, and certainly up to the task at hand!
Stuffing one into a small SUV might be a bit of a challenge though.
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Can you please tell me what truck has the Detroit, series 60 motor? I am trying to learn about diesel trucks for towing RVs.
thanks for your help!
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Jeep Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500 now come with a V-M 6 cyl turbodiesel. It has proven itself in Europe for years.

In the used market, it's hard to beat the Dodge/Ram 2500 with Cummins 6 cyl TD. If you're really thrifty, look for one with a manual transmission.
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My original TV was a V6, towing a 16 ft. Scamp SD .I found the combination to be "Totally Inadequate" . I now tow my 17 Ft. Casita with a Hemi V8 which I find "Barely Adequate" What one wants , or will accept or needs in a tow vehicle is highly subjective . I recently drove a 3/4 ton diesel powered TV ,towing a 32 ft 5th wheel and found the diesel to be " More than Adequate" . Many vehicles on paper have an adequate tow rating for our intended purpose but in reality do not measure up to what I want in a TV.
Gas mileage is not the only consideration in a TV
I'm trying to wrap my head around your thought of "what is adequate and what is not adequate. Does it have to do with stability, 0 to 60 times, comfort, perception???
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I absolutely know that it's nearly impossible to tell people what they need for a tow vehicle. As I said in the Honda Pilot/Odyssey thread, many people tow big Airstreams with 6 cylinder Odysseys.
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Can you please tell me what truck has the Detroit, series 60 motor? I am trying to learn about diesel trucks for towing RVs.
thanks for your help!
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Sorry Carl, I was being Facetious, That engine is found mainly in semi trucks, fire engines etc.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around your thought of "what is adequate and what is not adequate. Does it have to do with stability, 0 to 60 times, comfort, perception???
Steve did say "highly subjective," so I think the answer in this particular case is largely "perception," as it has been lately in my own case. If he had said "objective," I would look to tow ratings and such which are objective measurements.
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One point people forget that if your TV has a load rating of, say, 5000# with a V6, that rating will go down by the difference in weight of the V8. If the V8 is 200# heavier, now your load rating will be 4800#.

I think that people tend to think that if a vehicle has 0-60 of 7 seconds, then they want the same performance with a tow. Many states have slower speed limits for vehicles with trailers. Example is California, 70 mph but towing 55 mph. Even Arizona limits tows to 65 mph from the posted 75.

We tow Homelet, 1840# loaded, quite happily with our 2.5 L, H4 Subaru rated at 2700#. Our old Subaru did fine also and it was rated 2000#. I could only maintain 32mph at one spot of Crow's Nest Highway in BC, but that was only for a few miles.
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One point people forget that if your TV has a load rating of, say, 5000# with a V6, that rating will go down by the difference in weight of the V8. If the V8 is 200# heavier, now your load rating will be 4800#.
With all due respect, that is an over-broad generalization. Every manufacturer calculates their ratings differently. Extra options' weight may or may not affect tow rating. And in many cases, a V8 will garner a higher tow rating than a V6 in the same vehicle; an example is the current Jeep Grand Cherokee, which picks up about 1000 lb in the tow rating when the V8 is added.

Weight of options is more likely to impact payload rating than tow rating.
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I towed a 16 Scamp with a 2002 V6 escape with little problems, sometimes slow on long hills but able to keep up and get 17 to 19 mpg. My wife fell in love with a 2009 Avalanche with big V8, better ride, and 17 to 20 mpg, both driven at 65 mph. Would not have believed it if I had been told this, without towing there is a big difference in mpg, it is nice to have the larger roomer TV. I realize these are not Toyotas, but a V8 can still get mpg if you drive easy.
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