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Old 07-19-2017, 08:22 AM   #29
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Thanks - saw this one. I'd really like the 2nd picture window on the passenger side.

It would not be to big of a deal to add that window. Most any body shop could do it. You could even do it yourself if you are handy
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I took delivery of my lilsnoozy 12/01/16. It is a small family type business. I did not enquire into the specifics of why he (Richard)needed 40% down, but some possibilities come to mind. He may not have paid cash for the business, he may have had to tote the note, as we say in the South. There are taxes to pay for employees. There are business licences. He has no space for most large inventory. Being a small business, he depends on his suppliers to keep faith with him and at my visit, prior to ordering ,could not help but overhear him "discussing" with someone a supplier who had shrugged off his place in delivery queue for a larger order. That was a problem that was not his fault, but made him look like someone who couldn't forecast production accurately.


If you put in a special order for anything you have to front much more of the cost than if you order stock. I found this out in Boy Scouts, when we decided to create troop Tshirts that were unique to our troop. Yes, I had to put 30% down for the special order. The very nice couple running the silkscreen shop tried to talk me into a stock pattern to save money, and they had warned us that they didn't do special orders for under 35pieces. Had we not been a 501(c)3 (I think that's the charity code) organization, we would have needed to put 50% down. And we had 37 Tshirts on order...The shop also stored our screens for 3 years at no charge to us (regular storage was $20 annual in 1989) because their son had years before been a Boy Scout..
So you are special ordering a trailer. Fiberglass work calls for trained workers and for some reason Richard lost several workers in the summer of 2016. Plus, as earlier referenced, his boat hull supplier knocked his order to the back of the queue for a larger order. When I picked up my Snoozy I did ask Richard and found that most FG hull suppliers just didn't want to bother with as small as his orders were. He doesn't have much space in the factory for storage, aside from a room where he stores the 12V Truckfridges till their order is being worked on. I did wonder once or twice, when things kept getting pushed back and pushed back, what about if Snoozy went bellyup and concluded that the experience would still have been helpful to me, as it had helped me zero in on what all I did and didn't want. That's why, when people try to convince me of anything different from what I want- I am not convinceable (IE the YOU NEED PROPANE people) It upsets some people when they put forth their cherished arguments and you don't accept them.


Richard loves what he is doing and Iam very glad he was able to purchase it from the founder, as Ihad heard something along the lines of it had been a hobby for the founder, not really a business. I also found Richard to be extremely helpful every time I called, and when we picked up on December 1st on a Friday, he spent 3 hours-till about 8 pm- not only giving us the Welcome to Your Snoozy 101 speech but also telling us RV Camping 101 as neither DH nor I had EVER done any RV camping. To do that on a Friday night, that is really quite something.


We had order the generator cover when we ordered the Snoozy and Richard didn't have it when we picked up our trailer (supplier problems) Got a huge package delivered 5/28/17 that was our generator cover. LilSnoozy has my loyalty for life!


BTW the underbed space in ours is our cat haven. We travel with 4 cats. It has worked out very well!!
So, that's my 2 cents worth...
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Old 07-19-2017, 09:59 AM   #31
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I took delivery of my lilsnoozy 12/01/16. It is a small family type business. I did not enquire into the specifics of why he (Richard)needed 40% down, but some possibilities come to mind. He may not have paid cash for the business, he may have had to tote the note, as we say in the South. There are taxes to pay for employees. There are business licences. He has no space for most large inventory. Being a small business, he depends on his suppliers to keep faith with him and at my visit, prior to ordering ,could not help but overhear him "discussing" with someone a supplier who had shrugged off his place in delivery queue for a larger order. That was a problem that was not his fault, but made him look like someone who couldn't forecast production accurately.


If you put in a special order for anything you have to front much more of the cost than if you order stock. I found this out in Boy Scouts, when we decided to create troop Tshirts that were unique to our troop. Yes, I had to put 30% down for the special order. The very nice couple running the silkscreen shop tried to talk me into a stock pattern to save money, and they had warned us that they didn't do special orders for under 35pieces. Had we not been a 501(c)3 (I think that's the charity code) organization, we would have needed to put 50% down. And we had 37 Tshirts on order...The shop also stored our screens for 3 years at no charge to us (regular storage was $20 annual in 1989) because their son had years before been a Boy Scout..
So you are special ordering a trailer. Fiberglass work calls for trained workers and for some reason Richard lost several workers in the summer of 2016. Plus, as earlier referenced, his boat hull supplier knocked his order to the back of the queue for a larger order. When I picked up my Snoozy I did ask Richard and found that most FG hull suppliers just didn't want to bother with as small as his orders were. He doesn't have much space in the factory for storage, aside from a room where he stores the 12V Truckfridges till their order is being worked on. I did wonder once or twice, when things kept getting pushed back and pushed back, what about if Snoozy went bellyup and concluded that the experience would still have been helpful to me, as it had helped me zero in on what all I did and didn't want. That's why, when people try to convince me of anything different from what I want- I am not convinceable (IE the YOU NEED PROPANE people) It upsets some people when they put forth their cherished arguments and you don't accept them.


Richard loves what he is doing and Iam very glad he was able to purchase it from the founder, as Ihad heard something along the lines of it had been a hobby for the founder, not really a business. I also found Richard to be extremely helpful every time I called, and when we picked up on December 1st on a Friday, he spent 3 hours-till about 8 pm- not only giving us the Welcome to Your Snoozy 101 speech but also telling us RV Camping 101 as neither DH nor I had EVER done any RV camping. To do that on a Friday night, that is really quite something.


We had order the generator cover when we ordered the Snoozy and Richard didn't have it when we picked up our trailer (supplier problems) Got a huge package delivered 5/28/17 that was our generator cover. LilSnoozy has my loyalty for life!


BTW the underbed space in ours is our cat haven. We travel with 4 cats. It has worked out very well!!
So, that's my 2 cents worth...
This is great feedback, Mitsi. Thank you. Not being a public company it's hard to see how they are doing financially. What I think of is recessions. If we fall into a recession (which can happen easily over the next 6-8months) does his business go belly-up if he doesn't receive deposits? I don't worry about his honestly or intentions, but I do worry that if economic conditions develop that prevent him from taking in new deposits because of a slowdown in the economy, does my order vanish along with the deposit? I know that seems like a bizarre scenario, but it has happened in the past.

That said, I agree with you on all points. And I agree that Richard seems to be a very good guy. I'll get a better feeling about the whole situation when I go visit on Friday. Really looking forward to that!
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:03 AM   #32
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Tony,

I started down the path with Lil Snoozy but it made me uneasy that the company needed around 10 grand in order to put me on a 6 month waiting list. While I was digesting that, I put further thought into the fact the the Snoozy has no propane system and therefore if you need to heat it and aren't conveniently hooked up to AC, the choice becomes a small space heater and a generator, or a lot of blankets. If you are looking at alternates for the Casita, you may want to also check out Scamp, Escape, Bigfoot and Oliver.

I liked the layout on the Snoozy and if they had a more reasonable down payment arrangement AND offered at least a propane heater, I might be in one. I ended up ordering a different brand.

Good luck with whatever you end up with though.

John
What turned me off about Lil Snoozy was the cassette toilet. I didn't want to have lug a heavy cassette to the dump station or campground bathroom every day. If they put a macerating toilet in, I would have bought a Snoozy in a heartbeat. I like the layout and they are less than 50 miles from where I live.
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What turned me off about Lil Snoozy was the cassette toilet. I didn't want to have lug a heavy cassette to the dump station or campground bathroom every day. If they put a macerating toilet in, I would have bought a Snoozy in a heartbeat. I like the layout and they are less than 50 miles from where I live.
And I LOVE the idea of the cassette toilet! I've dealt with black tanks before and between dumping them, winterizing them, and maintaining them I much prefer this route. Different strokes for different folks ☺️
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I think Mike McGee has it right. 40% down half a year (or more) in advance seems excessive. The skeptic in me says he just wants to earn interest on your money in the hot stock market.

Re propane, I am impressed with how well the 'fridge in our Casita runs on propane. It uses very little, so makes state-park camping without hookups much easier.

/Mr Lynn
I am with Mike now too. Seems the good ones want a sizable amount when actual construction begins, which is fair. But not several months prior to even beginning. Even Oliver wants a good chunk when construction begins but requires only a 10% initial payment to schedule.
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You will like the cassette toilet. I know a lot of the Snoozy owners. We all like it. Several posters on here give it some flak but it is just down right cleaner and more convenient.
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.....I did wonder once or twice, when things kept getting pushed back and pushed back...
Can you give us an idea of how far your completion date kept getting pushed back from your original quote, are we talking weeks, months or Half a year? Appreciate you sharing your information and thanks in advance. Happy camping
PS-They have been referring folks who want propane to a propane installer for many years.
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I've seen two Snoozys and I was very impressed with the quality. I've nothing to criticize there, although an all electric trailer isn't for me personally.

But, I would definitely criticize the 40% down requirement. That's pretty much unheard of in the RV industry, and a red flag for me that they may lack the capital to fund builds entirely, or to maintain liquidity if the deal falls through and they have to hold and sell to another buyer.

In our case, they required $500 deposit on our Escape 19, although recently they raised that to $2500 to discourage so many deals from falling through. Either of these I'd consider reasonable, but 40% down not so much.
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ken- they told me the tie lag between order and delivery on 4/1/16 was 18 weeks.
That would have been mid August.
When I started calling in August Richard couldn't give me an anticipated delivery date.
I hoped for midSeptember.
They finally told me it would be ready in late October, but our schedule was such we couldn't pickup till 12/01.
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Appreciate the feedback. Yeah, it gets tricky fast when you live out of state and are not retired with work and kids and pets ETC. Glad to hear you got your generator cover. I have never seen one (snoozy) but aren't the walls soft vinyl? I wondered if the cats would pull on the wall covering if it was soft vinyl.
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ken- they told me the tie lag between order and delivery on 4/1/16 was 18 weeks.
That would have been mid August.
When I started calling in August Richard couldn't give me an anticipated delivery date.
I hoped for midSeptember.
They finally told me it would be ready in late October, but our schedule was such we couldn't pickup till 12/01.


Pretty disappointing they were 8 weeks off on a deliverable date with that kind of $$ wrapped up in a deposit. I'll talk to Richard about this tomorrow when I meet with him.
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Please share your info here Tony Cheers
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Please share your info here Tony Cheers


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