what I really need - Page 2 - Fiberglass RV


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-22-2008, 10:28 AM   #15
Senior Member
 
ronsmith100's Avatar
 
Trailer: Casita
Posts: 451
Quote:
Hi: Ron... New Scamp 13'ers. are 6'3" Interior height. 2" taller than the pre fire Scamps as the new molds were made from a 16' trailer. As long as you can sleep curled up snug a new one should do ya!!! Gotta love their new web site.
Alf S. North shore of Lake Erie
WHOA!
Now THAT is good news!
I'll look into it.
Think Casita will make the Patriot higher too?
The height (lack of) in the smaller trailers really does bother me.
I would rather stick with fiberglass too.


Thanks
__________________

__________________
ronsmith100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2008, 10:36 AM   #16
Senior Member
 
ronsmith100's Avatar
 
Trailer: Casita
Posts: 451
Quote:
The real problem with trailers isn't the length or weight as much as it is the wind face. Stick your hand out the window at freeway speeds with your palm facing into the wind . . . a trailer has a huge wind face, and it takes a set amount of energy at each highway speed to overcome that wind resistance, and while the weight of your TV and trailer stay constant, the wind resistance doubles every time you increase your driving speed by 25%. Your best bet for improving gas mileage is to slow down to 55-60 mpg, which might well boost your MPG to 20+.

--Peter
I always drive at 55 max... occasionally 60. I get 13-15 range.
If I had a four cyl ranger pulling 2000 lbs I am sure I would get over 20 and maybe closer to 25 at that speed.
As the new smaller trucks come back with turbo diesels (I am sure that is not far off) then near 30mpg would be obtainable while towing. Some magazines suggest turbo diesel hybrids pickups are also on the horizon.
We have been enjoying cheap gas for years. Europe long ago figured out how to caravan with smaller rigs and $6 gas.
Down sizing is coming I am sure.

I may go back to Aliner for that reason you mentioned... wind face. Its such a rickety cheap thing though.
Not sure what I'll do.

Thanks for the input everyone!
__________________

__________________
ronsmith100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2008, 10:50 AM   #17
Senior Member
 
james kent's Avatar
 
Name: james
Trailer: Boler 1984
Ontario
Posts: 2,938
We were looking at 17 footers and finally decided to revamp the 13. This year we changed the curtians, made a permanent rear bed and a front dinette, painted the outside and am having the old weak axle replaced. Should be good for another 25 years. Have looked into replacing the truck with either a Toyota Rav4 or Highlander. Both give mid 30's gas mileage. Although the Highlander is a little larger and has more towing capacity. They are also, still, tops with 'Consumer Reports' for reliability.
__________________
james kent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2008, 10:51 AM   #18
Senior Member
 
Patrick M.'s Avatar
 
Name: Patrick
Trailer: 2007 Casita Liberty (Sold 2011)/ Honda Odyssey
Arizona
Posts: 705
Got 17.6 mpg towing a 13' Scamp with an Element.
Getting 14.5 mpg towing a 17' Casita with an Odyssey
Over 10,000 miles will use 121 more gallons of gas

So, at $4/gal, an extra $500 every year or two for the extra room, shower and toilet. Based on the many campground showers I've use, that's worth every penny!
__________________
Patrick M. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2008, 11:30 AM   #19
Senior Member
 
Bobbie Mayer's Avatar
 
Name: Bobbie
Trailer: 2011 Escape 15A
Washington
Posts: 3,236
Registry
Quote:
Got 17.6 mpg towing a 13' Scamp with an Element.
Getting 14.5 mpg towing a 17' Casita with an Odyssey
Over 10,000 miles will use 121 more gallons of gas

So, at $4/gal, an extra $500 every year or two for the extra room, shower and toilet. Based on the many campground showers I've use, that's worth every penny!
But as mentioned above, you have to also add the cost of driving the Odyssey on a daily basis (if you do) or the cost of registration and insurance if you only use it as a TV.
__________________
Bobbie Mayer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2008, 11:35 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
Patrick M.'s Avatar
 
Name: Patrick
Trailer: 2007 Casita Liberty (Sold 2011)/ Honda Odyssey
Arizona
Posts: 705
Actually, the Ody and the Element driving costs are about the same, and the Ody actually gets slightly better mileage on the Interstates! The Element suffers from a shoebox design!
__________________
Patrick M. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2008, 01:48 PM   #21
Member
 
Gilles D's Avatar
 
Name: Gilles
Trailer: Casita Spirit Deluxe 17 ft 2001
Quebec
Posts: 65
Quote:
I always drive at 55 max... occasionally 60. I get 13-15 range.
If I had a four cyl ranger pulling 2000 lbs I am sure I would get over 20 and maybe closer to 25 at that speed.
As the new smaller trucks come back with turbo diesels (I am sure that is not far off) then near 30mpg would be obtainable while towing. Some magazines suggest turbo diesel hybrids pickups are also on the horizon.
We have been enjoying cheap gas for years. Europe long ago figured out how to caravan with smaller rigs and $6 gas.
Down sizing is coming I am sure.

I may go back to Aliner for that reason you mentioned... wind face. Its such a rickety cheap thing though.
Not sure what I'll do.

Thanks for the input everyone!
I mist my brother old Mazda Pickup truck 1984 B2200 Diesel, He use to run like the Energizer rabbit...run on the same charge(Tank) for a long long long time.... If gaz get to hight maybe we will see biodiesel get cheaper if the
mineral oil go in maximum production...Imagine smelling French fries every where in city streets Hum.. Cheap Fuel...Good smell...No polution, I jump in this wagon anytime Here a nice link to Diesel engine vehicule sold in the USA

http://www.grassolean.com/index.html...ile=dieselcars
__________________
Gilles & Josy
Casita 2001 17 SD
"The EGGxile"
Gilles D is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2008, 11:09 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
Coach George Jessup's Avatar
 
Trailer: Scamp
Posts: 358
Send a message via MSN to Coach George Jessup
Quote:
I always drive at 55 max... occasionally 60. I get 13-15 range.....
at those speeds pulling my other trailer (US Military) from OH to FL w/trailer full of all my personal belongings (TV cloths tools axle file cabinets etc etc etc) I got 12mpg on diesel. Well actually I got 40mpg on diesel but thats cause the rest of the fuel was vegetable oil. Anyway....

I get 12 mpg of fuel without the trailer too. My diesel Unimog does not care what's back there..... it just goes.

I might go up on milage though once Im all outfitted. Will have Water/Alcohol injection. LP booste injection when needed on long upgrades and will be lighter since Im loosing the 1 ton metal box off the back. Will be adding a bed hitch to pull my 5er that will be mounted on 40" tall military tires
__________________
Coach George Jessup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2008, 07:11 AM   #23
Senior Member
 
Trailer: Bigfoot
Manitoba
Posts: 604
The diesels are finally on the way. VW & Honda should have their diesel here in the next year or two. Subaru has a diesel Legacy out for Europe. 49 mpg hwy with AWD. A diesel CRV or Forester should be good for 25 - 30 mpg towing, and 40 mpg not towing; the European diesel CRV is rated for a 2,000 Kg. tow. Far from discouraging towing, they advertise a Trailer Stability Assist system. I hope my 98 Forester can hold out until they finally get here.
__________________
Cam A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2008, 08:21 AM   #24
Senior Member
 
Donna D.'s Avatar
 
Name: Donna D
Trailer: Escape 5.0 TA, 2014
Oregon
Posts: 24,433
I haven't been reading this topic, but I have a question regarding the European diesels vs US diesels... are they the same motor? I know the diesels in this country have to run low-sulpher diesel... that started in diesels built in 2008(?) and the fuel economy has gone down because of that. It's better for the environment, just not the fuel economy. The point, if they're not the same motor... don't expect to get the same MPG.
__________________
Donna D.
Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
Donna D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2008, 09:52 AM   #25
Senior Member
 
Trailer: Bigfoot
Manitoba
Posts: 604
Quote:
I haven't been reading this topic, but I have a question regarding the European diesels vs US diesels... are they the same motor? I know the diesels in this country have to run low-sulpher diesel... that started in diesels built in 2008(?) and the fuel economy has gone down because of that. It's better for the environment, just not the fuel economy. The point, if they're not the same motor... don't expect to get the same MPG.
Good point, Donna. My understanding is that Europe has had clean diesel for some time, and that low-sulhur fuel becoming available in the US was one of the main reasons that we were not getting European diesels until now..
Same engine as far as I know.
__________________
Cam A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2008, 12:34 PM   #26
Senior Member
 
Trailer: 84 16 ft Scamp
Posts: 725
I noticed about a 10 percent drop in fuel mileage when using the new low-sulfur diesel.
__________________
Loren G. Hedahl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2008, 10:29 AM   #27
Junior Member
 
Trailer: Trillium
Posts: 6
I pulled with a 4 cylinder turbo last year, could only obtain 14mpg at around
100kmh (62mph). At the weigh scales it was about 2700lbs empty, so it was
a fairly good haul for my car since it's only rated to tow 3000lbs.

Click image for larger version

Name:	83593339.jpg
Views:	23
Size:	133.0 KB
ID:	12807


This year I will be pulling a Trillium 4500 in hopes to be a bit lighter for a few more MPG.
The 17ft boler seems quite a bit bigger, so if I keep the speed down I'm hoping to get
closer to 20mpg.
__________________
Geoff W is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2008, 07:13 PM   #28
Junior Member
 
Trailer: Casita 2005 17 ft Freedom Deluxe
Posts: 12
What about the price of Diesel? I don't know off hand the price of Bio Diesel but regular diesel right now is over .65 cents a gallon more expensive than regular gas. Tom
__________________

__________________
Tom & Virginia Allin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Upcoming Events
No events scheduled in
the next 465 days.
» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.