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Old 09-16-2015, 10:36 AM   #29
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Going home soon to a place that actually has 4 distinct seasons and where I get to pump my own gas.

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I have always enjoyed my trips to Oregon but admit if there is one negative its having to let a gas station attendant pump your gas!

Actually do not mind them doing the pumping but its the frequency that they don't put the gas cap back on tight enough resulting in a Check Engine light or Tighten Gas Cap message appearing on the dash shortly after filling up that gets a bit annoying! When towing its a bit of a pain to try and find a safe spot on the freeway to pull over to fix the issue!
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I've been watching his thread with amusement for several days. I know it's (mostly) in fun, but I'll venture an observation.

Attacking a man's home is akin to attacking his wife. The fact that he knows her faults better than anyone is inconsequential. He loves her for her excellent qualities and will not stand any man to point out her flaws in public. And that is as it should be.

The observation applies equally to women, I know, but in this case, gender-neutral language weakens the force of the analogy.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:30 AM   #31
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I like the 4 seasons weather we have in SoCal as well; Summer Camping, Fall Camping, Cool Camping, Spring Camping and then Summer Camping again.


It's unfortunate that so many see California in terms of the built up urban areas and overlook the 90% of the state that isn't in the Los Angles and San Francisco metro areas.


And, unless there is a pressing need to get somewhere, I too will go out of my way to avoid freeways. If you drive Highway 395 for some 645 miles, from Hesperia, CA to the border near Goose Lake, OR, while there are a few sections of (relatively deserted) 4 lane highway, most of it is the same two lanes that were first laid out in 1926, There are no freeway sections except for the miles that it dips into Nevada along the way. And it takes you to the entrance for Mt Whitney, and the Tioga Pass entrance to Yosemite High Country. I solo towed this last May and it was great.


As I am now sitting in WA I can, as always, confirm that the northwest is a great place to visit as well. And if I should get lonely for those CA freeways and need a fix, all I have to do is spend a day in Seattle.... And if I miss big construction projects I can always go look and see if "Bertha" has been fixed yet....LOL


BTW: Todays news, Forks, WA, with about 118" of rain a year, just went onto severe water restrictions with fines for washing your car or watering your lawn, go figure.
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Where is pumping gas on the scale of important events in one's life? Is it even worth a thought?
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I've been watching his thread with amusement for several days. I know it's (mostly) in fun, but I'll venture an observation.

Attacking a man's home is akin to attacking his wife. The fact that he knows her faults better than anyone is inconsequential. He loves her for her excellent qualities and will not stand any man to point out her flaws in public. And that is as it should be.

The observation applies equally to women, I know, but in this case, gender-neutral language weakens the force of the analogy.

I agree, now take my wife... Please.... take my wife!....
(Henny Youngman?)
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Old 09-16-2015, 01:17 PM   #35
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BTW: Todays news, Forks, WA, with about 140" of rain a year, just went onto severe water restrictions with fines for washing your car or watering your lawn, go figure.

Having a green lawn is not really something I would base the livability of where I live on!

Having a green lawn in these parts does nothing to elevate your personal status - in fact the opposite is true. Water usage shaming has become a popular pass time for many. Yup even for the owners of the $10 million dollar plus homes that we have plenty of in this area.

Here in a better part of southern BC we have been facing severe water restrictions & fines for washing cars and watering lawns and gardens for months. For some of this summer we could not even use a hand water jug to water a tree in some parts of the province. Although we finally did get some rain in recent weeks and water reservoirs are back to normal levels we are still on total lawn watering restrictions to protect the water levels we have, should the dry weather trend continue into the fall and winter once again.

We actually have had water restrictions of one kind or another here in Vancouver for years EVERY summer, starting in early May and lasting until the end of September - regardless of how much rain we have had or not had. Anyone who has ever spent a winter in Vancouver knows all to well - that it rains here. A lot! How much the water use is restricted each summer has to do with how dry the winter weather was or how cold it failed to get and how low the snow pack is & how hot & dry the summer is. Way better to give up on having a green lawn to ensure we have plenty of drinking water should the dry hot weather last longer than expected.

During times of total ban on watering lawns the lawns do go brown for months but historically all it takes nothing more than a couple of days of rain & they are a lush green once again. Nothing lost.

Not being able to water the lawn has little to nothing IMO to do with the liveability & enjoyment of any given area. In fact some might suggest that not having to mow the lawn for a few months due to its browning up, makes an area all that much more attractive to live in
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The branches grow clear to the ground. Makes you wonder how anyone ever found their way to the west coast over the Oregon trail.[/QUOTE]

The trees were smaller back then.
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Good one, John, wish I had thought of that.

A review of the path of the Oregon Trail shows that due to the thick, impenetrable forests, it went all the way up to the top of Oregon to The Dalles, then they had to raft down the Columbia River to Portland. Later, there was also a much longer overland route circling down around from The Dalles to Sandy and then back up to the other side of the forest. They should have called it the Out Of your Way Trail instead of the Oregon Trail.

I find it hard to believe that the Indians had to travel all that way also to get to the western side of the thick forest. They must have known shortcuts through the forest further south based on earlier animal trails. They probably had a policy of “Chief not show shortcut to palefaces.” In the iconic paintings of the Indians up on cliffs watching the wagon train pass through, they should be showing them laughing their asses off having sent the pioneers hundreds of miles out of their way to get around the forests and across the mountains.

And then there was the ongoing dispute with the British and the Hudsons Bay Company regarding ownership of the Oregon territory. They insisted that it was their land but gave up claim to it when they found out all the beaver had been trapped and they figured there would be nothing but trouble with the Spotted Owl. I’m not sure who made out better on that deal. The forests are so thick that the squirrels forget which one is their home and the deer can’t even get up to a good jog before they hit a tree.

It’s worth visiting just for its historical value.
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I do not find that California is "Inferior" to any other state. nor do I find it "Superior" as some have suggested. Where I live the closest 4 lane highway is 50 miles from my house. and I don't feel deprived by not having a 12 lane freeway in my neighborhood . . .

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Ah, it is as I expected. Too many people think that California is represented by what they see on TV and in films... freeways and concrete. L.A. and San Francisco represent about 5% of the state (I bet Bob will come up with the exact statistic AND references), although very dense in population. (Which is why the populations of these two metro areas dominate in elections, even though much of the rural population is *conservative*.)

Few people even realize that the REST of the state is agriculture-intensive, or forest, or mountains, or desert.

Where I live two active volcanos are nearby and majestic to view: Mt. Shasta

and Mt. Lassen:


I live in the valley and the Sacramento River runs through it.


Thirty minutes in either direction and we enter the mountains. We have two beautiful lakes (although Lake Shasta has nearly given nearly its all to the water users south of us), and Whiskeytown is as pure and full and pristine as any lake anywhere.


Drive west along the Trinity river


and find the north coast.


Travel deep into the Redwoods and appreciate the astonishing grandeur.


And we have Yosemite.


And I'm only getting started, but then, I'm probably biased.
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I solved my issue. I went to Nevada.
I am amazed with the telepathic powers of Californians. They are able to make turns and change lanes at 70 MPH. without signaling yet everyone evidently knows what they are about to do (except me).
We did see Mt Lassen ,Mt Shasta , the Sacramento River ,San Francisco , The Golden Gate and Bay bridge and many lovely sights in Northern California.
The traffic is a little disconcerting. I saw more vehicles in one day on the 101 then I see in a whole year in Wisconsin , discounting farm tractors and The Amish on horses.
The only real problem we had besides the traffic was that they don't sell
Leine's beer in California which greatly disappointed. my wife .
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I solved my issue. I went to Nevada.
Oh.
Now THERE'S a gorgeous state.

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The only real problem we had besides the traffic was that they don't sell
Leine's beer in California which greatly disappointed. my wife .
That's because we have Sierra Nevada beer, brewed near my Alma Mater of CSU Chico, which fulfills the needs of any informed beer aficionado.
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Ya But.... Because the trailer speed limit in CA is only 55 MPH, one doesn't have to be concerned with the70MPH crazies on the other 4 or 5 lanes to your left...... LOL
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Don't bad mouth Nevada
After all it has ................. ???????
Well it does have Area 51, (with free daily 737 Shuttle service from Las Vegas), U,S. 50 and the Extraterrestrial Hiway. LOLOLOL


Extra Point Trivia Question: Who gave the Extraterrestrial Highway it's name?


Hint: The answer is in plain sight
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