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Old 07-16-2016, 08:24 PM   #29
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What are you calling a camper?
e.g. Truck Campers - Bigfoot RV - Truck Campers & Travel Trailers
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Old 07-17-2016, 05:45 AM   #30
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Thanks. I wasn't familiar with that terminology. A lot of non-RVers call our trailers campers.

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Old 07-17-2016, 05:49 AM   #31
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Thanks. I wasn't familiar with that terminology. A lot of non-RVers call our trailers campers.

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Walt, What are you calling an RV?
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Old 07-17-2016, 05:56 AM   #32
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Walt, What are you calling an RV?
I guess any upgrade from a tent I can think of that is road worthy. Not sure there's an official definition.

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Old 07-17-2016, 06:14 AM   #33
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I guess any upgrade from a tent I can think of that is road worthy. Not sure there's an official definition.

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I agree. What I was getting at, I suppose, is the calling only motorhomes RV's. That too is a somtimes thing we hear. The terms are pretty fluid. Some places tent trailers are called pop ups and other places fold-down trailers. Never did seem to be a uniform term for those either.
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Old 07-17-2016, 06:55 AM   #34
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:23 AM   #35
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In chatting with some members of the family, and yes, these are largely small family owned businesses, this matter comes up.

First, there seems to be some certain size of the business, a certain number of employees that classifies a business and places it under a certain set of laws. Let's say it is 50. If that is so, both Casita and Evelands (Scamp) are just at that number and are quite unwilling, for a host of reasons perhaps, to take the next step.

It may well be that the next step would require new facilities and capital investment that may not be deemed wise. The businesses are a success and stable from all appearances. Family owned businesses sometimes do not wish to be any bigger. There is family life, church, and other quality of life interests that getting any larger isn't always seen as a goal to be achieved.

The long waiting lists aren't always so. During times of sudden economic downturns, these backlogs disappear quickly. Small, family owned businesses are reticent to layoff people who are their friends and neighbors. It's small town, family business values.

If there is untapped market share that some other company wishes to take from Evelands and Casita? Let them have at it. There's probably room but there are no assurances of success. Look how many name plates have come and gone. Just some thoughts to ponder. It's easy to project as an outsider upon another family's busines model. We cannot always be sure we're correct in our viewpoints. We are not privy to the inner workings and thoughs and we're not entitled to be.
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Kingdom: Land vehicle
Phylum: Highway vehicle
Class: Recreational vehicle
Order: Towable recreational vehicle
Family: Travel trailer
Genus: Molded fiberglass travel trailer
Species: Scamp 13
Sub species: Standard Layout 1
Common name: Camper

A rare bird indeed!
That's who we need on this forum - Carolus Linnaeus of travel trailers!
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:41 AM   #37
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That's who we need on this forum - Carolus Linnaeus of travel trailers!
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:51 AM   #38
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Kind of begs the question: why do RV manufacturers have dealers at all? Why don't they all just sell direct? What would FGRV owners do if the FG manufacturers didn't have the other RV service departments available to prop them up with their warranty (and other) service?
I'm wondering, after a day's reflection, whether the real question is why the big players haven't ventured into all-molded fiberglass construction. The dealer distribution model requires significant economies of scale to create margin for middlemen. I'm wondering whether it's even possible or practical to mass produce a moderately-priced, mass-market, all-molded fiberglass trailer. I'm wondering if enough people would recognize the value in a smaller-yet-more-expensive fiberglass trailer sitting on a lot full of conventional trailers. I'm wondering whether the big players have already considered, and rejected, the concept.

Currently, the Airstream division of Thor Industries is preparing to roll out the Nest, a molded fiberglass design created by FGRV member and veteran rehabber Robert Johans. It will be distributed through Airstream dealers, presumably. But it looks to be high-end, limited production, and expensive.

The good news is I may be able to walk into an Airstream dealer or an RV show to look at one. The bad news is I won't be able to afford one!
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What Robert Johans did could be considered a business model in its own right. Develop something of value, build prototypes and sell out. This has been done in other industries all along. I hope he got a great deal from Airstream.
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That's who we need on this forum - Carolus Linnaeus of travel trailers!
I debated whether to latinize all the classifications, as in Ovum Scampae, but decided not to be a snob…
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I debated whether to latinize all the classifications, but decided not to be a snob…
Why not. Carl von Linne, or just Carl Linne seemed too short and pedestrian to me. And I remember that we are sometimes asked to keep the level of discourse on a higher level here.
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Old 07-17-2016, 09:34 AM   #42
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I say thank god there are no dealers for FGRV's, and for good reasons above and beyond what was already said. The structure and makeup of fiberglass shell is pretty solid state. The problems we tend to deal with are the off the shelf components like AC, furnaces, ranges, water systems, etc, not the RV itself. We can either fix ourselves or go to most any RV place to get stuff done. Most of our trailers are on the small end with low profit margins to begin with and maybe even tend towards customers with shallow pockets. Dealers would just kill our ability to get into affordable price ranges with markups.

There are few changes I would want to see in FGRV's and marketing is not one of them. Maybe one or two more manufacturers for a little more choice. Owning both a Scamp and Casita I personally think Scamp needs to revamp their design. Great trailers but the beds are too small and the floor should be a full mold like the Casita, plus, the axle is a bit too centered, tire size too small. The one foot longer in the Casita 17 Makes all the difference in my opinion. And if not a longer trailer, just a bigger main bed somehow but where in that size, the Scamp 16, and keeping the weight down for smaller tow vehicles, likely impossible? For better choices I hope Scamp wakes up and engineers a new design, I think it's long past time for a updated change to make them a viable choice. I had zero complaints about owning a Scamp except in the design.

Outside of FGRV's, the RV dealers are selling what appear to be large cardboard boxes with lots of problems that last only a dozen years or so. We may need dealers for standard RV's or illegal drugs, but please, not for fiberglass campers.
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