You want to know why I hate silicone? Here's a ONE example: - Fiberglass RV


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Old 06-10-2013, 11:19 PM   #1
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You want to know why I hate silicone? Here's a ONE example:

This is was posted on Facebook. A newer stick built Scotty (remember you have a wood floor and (perhaps) cleats for cabinets!:

Please, please ... when you have a window leak, repair it correctly. DO NOT use silicone or any other sealant or tape (unless you need to seal it in a rainstorm to get it home from your trip).

Correct factory sealing is NOT hard to do:
1. Unscrew the window frame
2. Remove window
3. Clean old Butyl off the window frame and the trailer
4. Apply new Butyl to window frame
5. Replace window
6. Replace screws

With that said here is what happens when you use silicone:

"This is what happens when a window isn't sealed. This is a 2007 Scotty from the "new" Scotty people. Trailer was bought new and only used three times. This wood was so rotted and full of water that no tools were needed to disassemble it. It was like mush."



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Old 06-10-2013, 11:24 PM   #2
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Amen!!!!!
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Old 06-11-2013, 12:34 AM   #3
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OMG a 5 year old sticky! Hard to believe!
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:34 AM   #4
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The manufacturer did that? I wonder what else they didn't know about? Raz
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:15 AM   #5
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Donna,
Our ever vigilant watchful guard, thanks for finding this, another good reason to stay with fiberglass and butyl tape.
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Old 06-11-2013, 06:41 AM   #6
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In 1999, we bought a new Forest River Salem 24' travel trailer when we were in NC. A hurricane came through 2 days after we got. The hurricane wasn't a bad one but had some sustained winds of 70 mph. Well, it was "interesting" and educational since we were not familiar with hurricanes. The front window leaked constantly for probably 7 hours while I mopped it up. When the repair man came out to our site, it turns out the window was just put in the slot and screwed down. We did have the trailer 6 years and we had no other leaks or unfinished things that we discovered.
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Must have been a Monday assembly. They say never buy something made on a Monday, that is when most people call in sick and the replacement worker doesn't know where to start!! There is a lot of unfinished work performed on Mondays.
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It's a mystery to me how modern science has resulted in a material that is both nearly impossible to remove, and yet not be watertight.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:08 AM   #9
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Jim, Ive also heard dont buy anything made on a friday since there dying to get out of work and just want to get the trailer done...so they use shortcuts... Unfortunatly it happens. Friends bought a brand new Baja Cruiser fishing boat, well the manuf drilled the wrong sized drain plug hole in the stern so they added some extra calk and sent it out to be delivered...I was there when the boat was lowered into the water and we saw alot of bubbling at the stern and she was going down..slowly but definatly taking on water.... the manuf paid to have it fixed but its scary sometimes.

Almost 20 years ago I started looking for a camper and well being right out of college and super poor I looked at some small ones in my price range and one my foot went through the floor it was that rotten. 3 years ago the night after I ordered $1000 worth of cedar to build my lil vardo, a trailer I was oggling for a while went up for sale a Sunliner Sunspot...I was so mad at myself I could have bought it. Well someone on the forum did and man I was glad I didn't lol...he had a tremendous job rebuilding it. Its easier to start from scratch then to restore one.

Thats why I went with fiberglass.
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It's a mystery to me how modern science has resulted in a material that is both nearly impossible to remove, and yet not be watertight.
If used in an appropriate application, silicon is great stuff. But it is NOT a solution for all of the worlds problems.
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Must have been a Monday assembly. They say never buy something made on a Monday, that is when most people call in sick and the replacement worker doesn't know where to start!! There is a lot of unfinished work performed on Mondays.
Just before its demise, the Soviet Union tried to create a new consumer law that major items had to be marked with the day and date on which they were made. It was a genuinely brave piece of work that I don't think any country has yet equalled.

This was a variant of the day-of-the-week problem as in Soviet times most employees were paid twice monthly, so what you didn't want was a product made on the 16, 17 or 18th of the month when the workers would be either severely hung over or still drunk from the 15th pay day. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd were even worse since not only was the product made by hung-over/still-drunk workers, but it was made from materials/parts that other plants had hurriedly shipped out (having bypassed any quality checks) in order to meet their monthly production quota.

Similarly you didn't want any product that had been made on the 28, 29 or 30th, since that would also have been rushed to count in that month's production quota. So there were two 'sweet spots' each month of a week or so when sober workers were making products from satisfactory materials.
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It's a mystery to me how modern science has resulted in a material that is both nearly impossible to remove, and yet not be watertight.
Silicone is very watertight if properly used. Silicone is the basis for almost all aquariums. Surface prep is most important!
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Just before its demise, the Soviet Union tried to create a new consumer law that major items had to be marked with the day and date on which they were made. It was a genuinely brave piece of work that I don't think any country has yet equalled.

This was a variant of the day-of-the-week problem as in Soviet times most employees were paid twice monthly, so what you didn't want was a product made on the 16, 17 or 18th of the month when the workers would be either severely hung over or still drunk from the 15th pay day. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd were even worse since not only was the product made by hung-over/still-drunk workers, but it was made from materials/parts that other plants had hurriedly shipped out (having bypassed any quality checks) in order to meet their monthly production quota.

Similarly you didn't want any product that had been made on the 28, 29 or 30th, since that would also have been rushed to count in that month's production quota. So there were two 'sweet spots' each month of a week or so when sober workers were making products from satisfactory materials.
Good story, thanks. Raz
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Silly-Con works for the purpose intended. FGRV not one of those purposes. Unless your going to sell the trailer to the really annoying co-worker then by all means go for it..... as long as they don't know where you live.
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