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Old 04-12-2009, 06:13 PM   #1
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Has anyone here had experience with a hitch mount for a 5th wheel? There is a 5th wheel scamp for sale in VA. I'm interested in that has an adapter set up to pull it with a "bumper" hitch. The owners said it is common on farm equipment, I think, and they have used it very successfully. It was listed for sale here but no pictures. its listed on craigslist wash dc as "rare 1990 scamp" posted 4/11. I was thinking about looking cause i could pull with my 1 ton van instead of switching to a pick up but I'm not sure.

Link to Scamp "5th wheel" with Bumper pull adapter
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Old 04-12-2009, 06:51 PM   #2
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I have no first hand experience but I had the same idea and asked Scamp about it a couple of years ago.
They didn't think it was a good idea.
And without any scientific proof whatsoever, my gut tells me it's not a good idea.
I'm guessing your gut is telling you the same thing or you wouldn't be asking the question.

I have found it's best to trust that feeling.

There was one for sale here not long ago and the hitch was bent , hmmm I wonder why.

Pulling on a farm and on the road at 65 mph is two different worlds.
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Old 04-12-2009, 07:35 PM   #3
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Depends on what was modified to make it work.

The original Scamp hitch is essentially the farm or Gooseneck hitch, just scaled down with a smaller ball, designed for horizontal pull on the vertical member.

There's been some recent discussion on this topic on the Yahoo Scampers group.
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Old 04-12-2009, 08:09 PM   #4
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my understanding of this is its not a premanent mod but can be used either way by not sure of the attachment method. guess i'll have to ck it out. its about an hour and a half from me
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Photo of the adapter hardware to connect a gooseneck trailer to a standard hitch receiver.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:42 AM   #6
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Personally i woulnt pull the 5er this way... to me its a accident waiting to happen.... The reg scamp 5th wheel hitches arent that expensive. I am wondering if your insurance would even cover you... ( even tho liability is on your vehicle when towing) Its meant to be attached to the truck bed..... Since it can be used both ways.... hook up to the bed..
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Very dangerous setup
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Old 04-13-2009, 08:20 PM   #8
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When was the last time you saw ANY manufacturer of 5th wheel travel trailers that offered this type of hitch as an option? If it was a good idea, the manufacturers would be all over it as it would open up 5th wheel ownership to a whole new group other than just truck owners.
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:27 PM   #9
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I have also been thinking of a way to pull from a bumper hitch. I have a 19ft scamp and would like to bumper pull behind a ford van. I have been toying with the idea of extending the lower frame to a hitch assembly. Then converting the void space into a large storage area. Any thoughts.
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:40 PM   #10
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unless your a structural engineer with certified welds its not only dangerous but illegal... a 5th wheel is designed to have a high mount point and be over the bed with even hitch displacement. changing the geometry of the pull location can have massive frame effects. bends, cracks, new center of gravity. unless you are confident that you can make a trailer from scratch. i would recommend leaving it alone. and a bumper pull hitch for a 5th wheel is made for minimal moving and towing. Ive found that the engineers that design things are usually better at it than i am
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I have also been thinking of a way to pull from a bumper hitch. I have a 19ft scamp and would like to bumper pull behind a ford van. I have been toying with the idea of extending the lower frame to a hitch assembly. Then converting the void space into a large storage area. Any thoughts.
Doing this will create a massive amount of tongue weight... and then you add to it by adding more "stuff" forward of the axle. The only way I see these even being a bit feasible is to put the entire Scamp on a flat bed trailer... one where you can move the axle(s) to balance the load.
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Old 04-14-2009, 04:19 PM   #12
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talked to some equipment people and some farm people in loudon co horse country around here and they said they use this rig locally. said it should be ok for distance but they prefer a safer tow. guess i'll look for a p/up if those who use them lack confidence in the rig. thanks all
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When was the last time you saw ANY manufacturer of 5th wheel travel trailers that offered this type of hitch as an option? If it was a good idea, the manufacturers would be all over it as it would open up 5th wheel ownership to a whole new group other than just truck owners.
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You can get away with it maybe on a relatively light-weight trailer like a Scamp 19', but typical 5W trailers have a LOT of pin weight (aka tongue weight) -- Many go as high as 20% because the weight is almost directly over the truck axle, not on the end of a lever.
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