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Old 04-13-2013, 10:28 AM   #15
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You don't need a breakaway switch or a battery on the trailer to operate trailer brakes. Heck... you could even have brakes without having a requirement.

As strange as it may seem, you don't need bureaucrats to exercise good judgement. Would you trust a vehicle built by a politician?
Even John Glenn went from astronaut to space cadet in one election!
Sometimes it's better to do as the law requires rather than buck the law. A small cost for something like a breakaway switch for electric trailer brakes is a small cost compared to a fine. Even if you get away with violating the law, the peace of mind of reducing the chances of getting fined and all the nonsense that entails is worth the small cost.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:11 AM   #16
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I believe this isn't quite true. Federal law requires a breakaway system if brakes are required. I researched this a few years ago, and this is as I remember.
After getting lots of conflicting info and trying to sort that out here in BC I discovered that requirement only applies to Commercial trailers. Go figure.
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:29 PM   #17
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i have been off-line . its been busy here while i was gone. i ordered :

Breakaway Kit Replacement 12 V Battery Hopkins Accessories and Parts HM20008

the rv guy is doing something to the wiring so automatic stuff (smoke detectors etc) wont wear it down

my camper is a 2007 casita freedom deluxe and someone reminded me to put water in the batter but when the rv guy got it out he said it was maint. free/gel si guess with those you dont have to put water in. i dont know if all casitas have that or if it was ordered special.

anyway-i am in nh and 3 rv places that worked on my camper when i pulled with a 2007 silverado 4x4 never mentioned i didnt have a break controller.

now with the rav4 i am finding out about them but one guy said any trailer over 2000 lbs needs brakes in nh. to be legal. i am not doing business with that guy for a number of reasons but it seems even the rv shops dont agree on what is legal.

but thanks to those who told me about the small battery. the big replacement battery was over 200. and the little was under 30. and i dont use the battery for elec. i just plug in.
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:50 PM   #18
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Federal law requires a breakaway system if brakes are required. I researched this a few years ago, and this is as I remember.
While I wouldn't be surprised by a federal (U.S. or Canada) regulation regarding commercial vehicles, or non-commercial vehicles as they are manufactured or imported, I would be very surprised if there is any federal law applying to the operation of a non-commercial trailer. This is just my expectation, not information: I could be completely wrong and would appreciate a link to any such regulation.

For example, 393.43 is a U.S. federal regulation for breakaway brakes, however:
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The rules in this part establish minimum standards for commercial motor vehicles as defined in 390.5 of this title.
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:09 PM   #19
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... one guy said any trailer over 2000 lbs needs brakes in nh. to be legal. i am not doing business with that guy for a number of reasons but it seems even the rv shops dont agree on what is legal.
You can guess, or you can accept rumours from people with no authority or training, or you can spend five minutes on the internet with our friend Google and find the authoritative trailer brake rules for New Hampshire:
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TITLE XXI
MOTOR VEHICLES

CHAPTER 266
EQUIPMENT OF VEHICLES

Brakes

Section 266:30

266:30 Trailer Brakes.
I. No motor vehicle trailer or semi-trailer shall be driven on the ways of this state unless equipped with adequate brakes in good working order and sufficient to control the said vehicle at all times. No house trailer weighing in excess of 1,500 pounds shall be driven on the ways of this state unless so equipped.
II. This section shall not apply to:
(a) A motor vehicle trailer or semi-trailer with a gross weight of less than 3,000 pounds if the axle weight of the towed vehicle does not exceed 40 percent of the sum of the rated axle weights of the towing vehicle.
(b) Wood-sawing machines, log splitters, cement mixers, compressors, tar kettles, conveyors, devices of 2 wheels used by public utilities for the transportation of cables or poles not exceeding 6 in number, road rollers and sweepers, thawing devices, or refreshment booths on wheels towed not more than 2 miles at any one time, only if being driven in intrastate commerce on the ways of New Hampshire.
Source. 1937, 81:1; 194:1. 1939, 123:1. RL 119:5. RSA 263:7. 1979, 59:1. 1981, 146:1, eff. Jan. 1, 1982. 2011, 183:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2012.
Of course, I understand that not everyone is inclined to sort through search matches and navigate government websites, just to find regulations which then need to be interpreted...
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:45 PM   #20
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anyway-i am in nh and 3 rv places that worked on my camper when i pulled with a 2007 silverado 4x4 never mentioned i didnt have a break controller.

now with the rav4 i am finding out about them but one guy said any trailer over 2000 lbs needs brakes in nh. to be legal. i am not doing business with that guy for a number of reasons but it seems even the rv shops dont agree on what is legal.
Kayak they reason may be that they think Toyota has a requirement for brakes if pulling trailers over x so many lbs with a RAV4. Its pretty common with most smaller tow vehicles. You Silverado probable didnt have such a requirement. What does your manual say in regards to the need for brakes on the trailer? There are also some states and provinces that have requirements for brakes on trailers if the trailer is more then 40% or so of the gross weight of the tug.
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:07 PM   #21
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brian-thank you for that. i wouldnt have been able to find it even if i tried.

carol-i was hoping the ppl on here with rav4s would give me better info than i could find on my own. i know a lot about a lot of things-but not about campers and towing - and to tell you the truth i dont really want to know all this stuff. i just want to find someone i can trust to do what needs to be done right. but it seems there are so many different opinions. and up here there are very few fiberglass campers and the rv places keep saying "all campers are the same" but i'm not sure if that is true.

the rv guy i have been working with seems open to discussion...so i will take some of these links to him monday. i think he ordered the other wdh...but maybe i can make up the difference if he agrees to use the lighter one. the lighter ones are about 100. more. but i guess if a heavy one is bad for the car it would be worth it.

again thx for your time. i really wish i could find someone local to trust. i'm confused why there are so many different ways to do things.
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Kayak they reason may be that they think Toyota has a requirement for brakes if pulling trailers over x so many lbs with a RAV4. Its pretty common with most smaller tow vehicles.
I agree. It's 1000 pounds for my Sienna, and probably the same for the RAV4... but yes, check the manual.

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You Silverado probable didnt have such a requirement.
The last time I checked a GM light truck manual, it did contain a similar requirement, at 2000 pounds. My guess is that this is widely ignored.

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There are also some states and provinces that have requirements for brakes on trailers if the trailer is more then 40% or so of the gross weight of the tug.
Yes, see the New Hampshire regulation which I quoted above. Here in Alberta, the rule says you need trailer brakes if the trailer is over 2000 pounds, but you are exempted if the trailer weighs less than 40% of the tug. In New Hampshire, the exemption only applies to trailers under 3000 pounds, but is at the same 40%, in this case based on tug axle ratings.
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:28 PM   #23
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One would think that a basic rule-of-thumb, especially with safety related questions, would be: "If the manufacturer built it that way, keep it that way". My 1983 StarCraft pop-up (project) , @ only about 875 lbs, came with electric brakes and a breakaway switch with it's own battery.

BTW: That $200 battery is less than $85 at Wal-Mart and, when it gives up in 10 months just go in for a free replacement. (As I, and many others, have done.)
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You can guess, or you can accept rumours from people with no authority or training, or you can spend five minutes on the internet with our friend Google and find the authoritative trailer brake rules for New Hampshire:


Of course, I understand that not everyone is inclined to sort through search matches and navigate government websites, just to find regulations which then need to be interpreted...

Yup, Or you can just install a breakaway switch and then you don't have to worry about the "no authority or training" people.
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Hmmmmm.... If you took out all of the "No Authority or Training" list members (including Moi) replies, you would be down to about three posts a day, with two of them about glamping.
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bob-glad to know about the battery at walmart for when i decide to use a big one again

for now. $27. sounded like a good way to solve the problem with all this other hitch stuff i am doing
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carol-i was hoping the ppl on here with rav4s would give me better info than i could find on my own.
Best place you could look is in your RAV4's owners manual. Every year and model is different regards to towing capacity and requirement for trailer brakes.
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Hmmmmm.... If you took out all of the "No Authority or Training" list members (including Moi) replies, you would be down to about three posts a day, with two of them about glamping.
True story. But then again the most valuable posts are about "Lessons Learned," because those are cheap for the rest of us!
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