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Old 06-08-2016, 07:51 PM   #15
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$700 for installing controller??!! Unless he's putting in a new wiring assembly for the 7-pin that's way over-priced
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:34 PM   #16
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Well, I'll give them another call tomorrow to verify pricing. I'm heading out on a backpacking trip for the weekend on Friday so tomorrow is my last day to make a decision before Monday. I'm thinking I'll go ahead with the whole brake and controller setup. I'll re-jig my budget and find the extra money if I need to. I completely forgot that it can be used for a swaying trailer until someone mentioned it here.

Can controllers be moved to different vehicles? In the next two or three years, my beloved Vibe will need to eventually be replaced. Would I be able to move the controller to, say, an Outback?


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Old 06-08-2016, 08:45 PM   #17
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Can controllers be moved to different vehicles? In the next two or three years, my beloved Vibe will need to eventually be replaced. Would I be able to move the controller to, say, an Outback?

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Usually but you should ask what model they plan on using.

There probably is a wiring harness that unplugs from the controller. I take my controller out when not towing for a while so it is not stolen. Some are built into the vehicle but I gather that is not the case for you.
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:45 PM   #18
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Well, I'll give them another call tomorrow to verify pricing. I'm heading out on a backpacking trip for the weekend on Friday so tomorrow is my last day to make a decision before Monday. I'm thinking I'll go ahead with the whole brake and controller setup. I'll re-jig my budget and find the extra money if I need to. I completely forgot that it can be used for a swaying trailer until someone mentioned it here.

Can controllers be moved to different vehicles? In the next two or three years, my beloved Vibe will need to eventually be replaced. Would I be able to move the controller to, say, an Outback?


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I have found sway to typically come into play when a trailer is loaded with too much weight on the rear and not enough on the tongue or in extreme wind. When worry of sway money is far better spent on a stabilizer hitch than trailer brakes when towing such a light trailer. The stabilizer hitch will not only even the weight distribution across your vehicle and trailer saving a lot on tire wear but makes overall handling a lot better and braking a lot stronger. When hitting your brakes hard without a stabilizer a trailer will push down a lot harder on the hitch which in turn lifts the front of the tow vehicle and limits braking power.

Keaner put up a good Canadian weight's / trailer brakes requirements and you will see you are well below what is required for trailer brakes with the small boler. This is the reason these small trailers were not equipped with brakes. As you checked into it with the RV shop it appears that they were first discussing just installing break away brakes on your trailer and not a complete electric brake system, I assume they were going that route as they as well felt an electric brake control system was not needed on your light trailer.

Sure some point out that electric brakes will be safer and I don't disagree with that but it is not as much of a seat belt no seat belt kind of argument but rather that of what is necessary. A better comparison would be that if you were to purchase a 1 ton diesel tow vehicle you would be safer as it would have better stopping power but that too I feel would be overkill.

All in all I suggest you look into the pro's / con's of buying a stabilizer hitch as in my experience it will be far more bang for your buck in safety and maintenance savings than trailer brakes.
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:58 PM   #19
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Let us know when you find your breakaway brake.
Sorry Mr. Baglo, possibly it is a Canadian / American difference thing. A lot of light trailers here do not require a complete trailer brake system until you get up over 2,000lb (Alberta which I am pretty sure is the strictest) and most provinces require trailer brakes when you get up in the 3,000lb range. Apparently US states have a far lower weight restriction for trailer brakes than up here.

In regards to breakaway brakes this is a common feature up here on lighter trailers. Many trailers below the weight required for a complete electric trailer/controller brake system will come equipped with just a breakaway system for emergency safety.

Come to think about it the lower weight electric brake requirements you mention in the US will likely come in handy to prevent RVer's from running into all those walls Mr. Trump is going to build.
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Old 06-08-2016, 10:12 PM   #20
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Last I heard, British Columbia was in Canada.
I've never heard of a breakaway brake system ( brakes that would only operate when the breakaway switch was triggered ). I have trailer brakes and the breakaway switch on my trailer.
And, while we're giving advice, I think the "stabilizer hitch" that you mention is commonly called a Weight Distribution Hitch. Sometimes people add a stabilizer bar.
It helps to use the correct terms.
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:15 PM   #21
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Hi Glenn,

It would be really great to get together and have a beer sometime. It might just be me but I feel like we would have a really great time together.

Oh sorry not beer, as you have kindly pointed out I need to be more succinct as not to confuse. Rather we should get together for a fermented alcoholic beverage, I personally prefer that of the malted barley variety.

As for trailers with just breakaway brake systems I have personally owned two and seen many others.
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:18 PM   #22
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:21 PM   #23
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Hi Morgyn in my opinion putting electric brakes on a boler is overkill by a long ways. I have pulled many trailers without electric brakes (motorcycle/skidoo/utility/travel) and then a lot with brakes. Bolers run roughly around 1,000 lbs dry weight this is just the trailer (none of your contents added or propane, water, grey water in it.). Bolers are light and the reason they don't have brakes factory installed is they are light. Heavy trailers (generally around 2000lbs are what come with electric brakes. I suspect you picked a light trailer for a reason and do not plan to overload it with a bunch of heavy camping gear.

If you are heavy footed and plan to drive with the trailer attached the same way you drive without the trailer than maybe you would need electric brakes. If however you plan to take it a little easier when pulling the trailer and give a little more room between yourself and the person in front of you then you will definitely not need electric brakes. I have a 2300lb bigfoot with electric brakes but on one occasion had to pull it with the brakes off. It was easy breezy and no problem or worry at all, and that is with a trailer that weighs more than twice your boler.

Now a breakaway brake is something all together different and something I would choose to have but not necessary. Not sure it that helps but it is my take on it.
Hummm.... have you ever put a loaded 13' Boler on the scales Finner?

Its a rare for a fully loaded for camping 13' boler to weigh in under 1500lbs. I know of one that actually weighed in for camping at 2300lbs. Yup for real!

Another fact of life today is that many vehicle manufactures stipulate that if pulling a trailer over 1000lbs it needs to have brakes. Particularly true of small SUV's and smaller tow vehicles.

Pulling a trailer without brakes is a good way to wear down your vehicles brakes faster than through normal wear and tear. Vehicle brakes are not cheap to replace and after a 10 years of pulling a trailer without brakes its a good bet you could have paid for the installation off brakes on the trailer a couple of times over once you tally up the cost of replacing brakes on your vehicle.

Many provinces and states including the one you live in do have laws that require trailers over x so many pounds to have brakes.

As you are in Alberta and seem be totally unaware of the laws of your province. Here are the facts:

Trailer Brake Requirements Alberta:

"-If gross laden weight of trailer is 909 kg / 2,004 Ibs or over, or if gross trailer weight is over half that of the unit, independent braking system is required.
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Are you willing to pay the OP's legal cost should he choose to follow your advise and not bother to put brakes on his trailer and has an accident that it is determine was caused by his vehicles inability to stop the vehicle due to the weight of the trailer and it not having brakes?
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:39 PM   #24
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When worry of sway money is far better spent on a stabilizer hitch than trailer brakes when towing such a light trailer. The stabilizer hitch will not only even the weight distribution across your vehicle and trailer saving a lot on tire wear but makes overall handling a lot better and braking a lot stronger. When hitting your brakes hard without a stabilizer a trailer will push down a lot harder on the hitch which in turn lifts the front of the tow vehicle and limits braking power.
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Honestly can say I have camped with over 30 13' Bolers at one time on a number of occasions in the past 10 years ;-) and can say I have never ever seen anyone put a Weight Distribution hitch on their vehicle to pull one! Have seen a lot of interesting tow vehicle chooses along with all those Boler's as well. I suspect that most Boler owners I know would suggest that something is VERY wrong with either the stowage of the trailer, or the hitch setup or the tow vehicle if one requires a WDH on any 13' trailer.

Money can be further saved by forgetting all about the purchase of a WDH for a 13' Boler and instead spending time learning how to set up the trailer correctly and spending a small sum at the local dump to put the trailer on the scales to find out its actual loaded weight. In doing so its then a simple a matter of insuring the trailer is loaded with no heavy weights at the extreme ends and hooked up level and that at least 10 percent of the axle weight is on the tongue.
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:40 PM   #25
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Hi Carol,

Not sure why you would say I am unaware unless you responded without reading the thread. I mention very clearly in a later post that Alberta has the strictest laws that I am aware of in Canada by requiring brakes if trailers are over 2,000lbs.

Now for those with a 13' boler if they require carrying more than 700-800 in extras above the trailer then they are simply using a trailer to small for their needs. Running a 13' boler at a total weight of 2,000 creates a lot more problems than simply having trailer brakes will remedy.

Not exactly sure why you are hammering me while all I am doing is stating what runs well below laws and requirements set out by the RVDA.
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:49 PM   #26
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Can controllers be moved to different vehicles? In the next two or three years, my beloved Vibe will need to eventually be replaced. Would I be able to move the controller to, say, an Outback?

A brake controller can be unplugged and moved to another vehicle but be warned many smaller tow vehicles do not come pre wired from the factor for a brake controller (usually only a 4 pin for trailer lights) and like your current vehicle they will require you to run wiring for the controller and charge line.

The Outback for sure would require both the controller wire and charge line to be added and Subaru does require brakes on any trailer being towed that weighs more than 1000lbs and has a limit of only 200lbs on the tongue.
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:57 PM   #27
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Carol the WDH does a fantastic job of evening the weight across the entire rig and even the weight out so that less is on the back wheels of the tow vehicle. If the trailer is large or small they help a ton. With a small trailer typically a smaller tow vehicle is used which will have a much lighter rear suspension than a larger vehicle. An appropriately sized WDH makes a huge difference to any unit. I have a good friend in Calgary that has a boler that he pulls with a 1980 VW diesel rabbit. When he added a small stabilizer hitch and said it made a huge difference. There must be some on here using a weight distribution hitch on a small trailer that can back me up.
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Old 06-09-2016, 12:08 AM   #28
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