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Old 07-21-2018, 03:18 PM   #1
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Do I need to winterize

This year we dewinterized our 13 foot Scamp and decided when we went to State Parks we were not going to fill up with water. It saves us time on the front end when we get there and no need to run the pump on back end dumping water to grey tank. So far it is working out well since we generally bring water and clean our pans at the water spouts at State Parks.

We do have the front toilet and we have just been filling 2 gallon water containers and pouring in toilet. We then dump black water when we leave.

The question we have is do we need to winterize this year.? We will have not flushed the toilet or run the sink or the shower or the water heater.

It would seem to me that if ther was moisture left in lines by winter it would have evaporated?

Let me know your thoughts as we are trying to streamline the whole process and spend more time camping.

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Old 07-21-2018, 04:22 PM   #2
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This year we dewinterized our 13 foot Scamp and decided when we went to State Parks we were not going to fill up with water. It saves us time on the front end when we get there and no need to run the pump on back end dumping water to grey tank. So far it is working out well since we generally bring water and clean our pans at the water spouts at State Parks.

We do have the front toilet and we have just been filling 2 gallon water containers and pouring in toilet. We then dump black water when we leave.

The question we have is do we need to winterize this year.? We will have not flushed the toilet or run the sink or the shower or the water heater.

It would seem to me that if ther was moisture left in lines by winter it would have evaporated?

Let me know your thoughts as we are trying to streamline the whole process and spend more time camping.

Thanks

Scott
Water does not evaporate inside of a sealed tank or plumbing pipes. You need open air for evaporation. But if they were drained and no extra water entered into the system after you winterized then they would not need it done again. Never hurts to check though.
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Old 07-22-2018, 10:19 AM   #3
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In the Fall I drain all tanks. I then use a small compressor to blow out all water lines. If there is no water left in the system you should be okay. I also leave a small heater plugged in, and set at about 55 F. If you do not want to use a heater you will have to make sure items such as sink traps and toilets are completely free of water. Alternatively you can add anti freeze to any place water may be trapped.
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Old 07-26-2018, 02:11 PM   #4
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If you are sure there is not water in the system, then you can probably get away without winterizing. On a side note when you say, "we clean our pans at the water spouts at State Parks," i hope you are not actually cleaning dirty dishes right at the spout. There are signs at most parts I've been to that warn you not to do this, it contaminates the water source, especially if its a well source.
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Hopefully using a designated dish washing station! Seriously, winterizing really doesn't take long once you are familiar with it. It seems a shame to lose the convenience of the onboard water system just to avoid a 30 minute job once a year....
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If you are sure there is not water in the system, then you can probably get away without winterizing. On a side note when you say, "we clean our pans at the water spouts at State Parks," i hope you are not actually cleaning dirty dishes right at the spout. There are signs at most parts I've been to that warn you not to do this, it contaminates the water source, especially if its a well source.
It's running water and people will use running water to wash dishes. I have observed people washing dirty dishes and pans while looking at a sign that says don't do that. They just don't seem to care about others.
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There's some things about freezing that seem to be misunderstood. If you're in an area where there's long periods of really cold weather then you need to make sure the water system is drained. A little bit of water is OK as long as there room for expansion. In areas when it gets down below freezing at night you're already pretty well protected with a full water system. It takes a lot of cold to freeze a full fresh water tank. Here's a little experiment for you to try in the fall when it starts getting cold. Put bowl of water outside leave it open to the sky. Place another bowl beside it with cover over it. Then see which one freezes and which one doesn't.

Also note how long it takes to freeze ice cubes in for freezer.


I would never put that pink stuff in my fresh water system.
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I would never put that pink stuff in my fresh water system.

Sure hope you never eat ice cream then. That same anti-freeze is used in ice cream and many other food products.
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The pink stuff is non-toxic, but it tastes funny and can be a pain (and requires a fair bit of water) to flush the remnants out. With a really simple water system such as Byron and I have in our non-bath 13'ers, it's not needed on the fresh water side. I used to put a little in the sink drain to protect the trap, but we haven't used our on-board water system in five years, so no winterizing for us.

Scott, you'll probably want to put some RV antifreeze in your toilet. Ohio can get pretty cold in the winter. You want to protect the plastic parts in the toilet and keep the seals from drying out. I'm thinking put a couple of cups in, flush it down and then put another cup in the bowl to sit through the winter. As long as the fresh water tank, lines, and pump are completely blown dry, you shouldn't have any issues there. Not sure whether there are consequences in letting the 12V pump sit dry and unused for a long period. I assume you don't have a water heater.

As to dishwashing, I'll suggest asking when you check in. One place we camp wants you to put grey water in the drains under the water faucets, which are connected to the sewer system. Another has designated dishwashing stations at the bathhouses. Some require it to be collected in a closed tank- onboard in some locations, in others a blue boy on the ground is acceptable- and emptied into a dump station. Other places still permit dispersing small quantities of grey water on the ground, but it's a good practice to remove food scraps to avoid attracting unwanted critters and disturbing natural feeding patterns. Rules and best practices vary depending on the location, so it's always courteous to ask if you do not have a fully self-contained trailer.
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You do want to ensure you have some anti-freeze in the p-traps. You’ll have one under the toilet and at least one on the grey water side.

A hard freeze can split them nicely.
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You do want to ensure you have some anti-freeze in the p-traps. You’ll have one under the toilet ....
Dont think so.

(OP's Scamp)

Although IMHO some AF in the bowl would be a good idea.
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Old 09-25-2018, 02:07 PM   #12
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pink antifreeze in my icecream???

Glenn, You are ruining my appetite for ice cream. When My aunt made ice cream years ago I had to turn the crank, but I don't remember her putting antifreeze in it!
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RV toilets don't have a trap, they dump straight into the black tank.
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"RV toilets don't have a trap, they dump straight into the black tank."

I will have to check on that -- I believe I have seen p-traps on both of my Bolers. I don't understand how you would keep the smell from the sewage from floating back up the sewer line without a p-trap.

Maybe a different technology -- I will look this afternoon: I am puzzled now!
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