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Old 08-25-2009, 11:59 AM   #15
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The bad news is that the packaging info says that it is good for use on radiant heated floors - outstanding heat transfer and low R-Value .... Not the best recommendation for insulation.

I'll phone Healthier Choice for more info on the R Value
R-value of the 3/8" Home Depot product is 1.2 (R 3.2 per inch). Does anyone know how this compares to ensolite or other foams?
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Old 08-25-2009, 07:58 PM   #16
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I have been able to purchase a vinyl covered, closed cell foam from Escape trailers. It is the same material they use in their trailers. Plus glue. They were very helpful. Contact them via their wb sight.
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Kent, you'd better double-check that. I've asked over at the EscapeForum about the insulation and this is the most recent (yesterday) posting from Reace:

"The 3/8" foam backing is an open cell foam. Donna, I apologize for the confusion, Tammy asked and I answered without really thinking about what she asked......man that can get a guy into trouble sometimes! At any rate, everyone is correct that a closed cell foam is dense and would not form to the trailer walls as nicely.

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Old 08-25-2009, 09:48 PM   #18
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Just as a data point, when I got some closed-cell foam samples from IR Foam Specialty (I can't remember if they were trade name Ensolite or if they were Ensolite-like), they sent me three different densities. The softest one was quite conformable, and that was even in 3/8" thickness as opposed to the 3/16" that I think is original (I had asked for the thicker stuff on purpose; it does come thinner).

My impression was that it would conform to the Boler shape in the same section shapes that the original Ensolite did, especially if if were not as thick as 3/8"

That said, it did not come with a vinyl skin bonded to it. One would probably paint it.

I ended up buying a trailer that already had the Ensolite, so I stopped researching. Had I kept on I would have looked harder for a similar product with the vinyl laminated on like the original that was in the Bolers. IR and other foam specialty places have a somewhat mind-boggling selection of Ensolite type foams, from what I could tell.

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Ooops. I figure if its the foam that Escape trailers use, I guess it will work for me even if it is not closed cell.Its bought and paid for. I live in a very dry part of the country. A wine growing area, hot and dry. Closed cell is available from Norseman Foam, for those in Western canada but no fabric on one side. Its black in colour
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I'm the one who posted that on Bolerama. I was waiting until I was back from a vacation to post over here. It arrived while I was away and yes, it's open celled foam as well. They had a large selection of colours and different thicknesses of foam as well. It'll be a little while before I try installing it. The old stuff has to come out first and the fibreglass needs to be repaired as well as the frame welded and new axle ordered, wiring done... good thing I can store stuff at work for a while!
Like Kent, I figured that if that's the stuff Escape uses, it should work for me. I was tired of researching! I'm going to try and talk with some marine people to see how they deal with the open cell foam and condensation. I got 20 yards (60 feet) x 54 inches, plus shipping, exchange, GST and brokerage for under $300 CND.
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Old 08-29-2009, 06:09 PM   #21
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R-value of the 3/8" Home Depot product is 1.2 (R 3.2 per inch). Does anyone know how this compares to ensolite or other foams?
I just found out that the highest Ensolite R-value is R-4 per inch of their EPS foam. This works out to a value of 1.5 for a 3/8 inch sheet. Seems like a .3 increase in R value is not such a big difference between the two foams, Ensolite and EcoFoam.

Here are a couple of pictures of the Home Depot foam sheet. I put a piece of 92 bright copy paper on the foam for contrast. The foam is an off white - sort of creamy.

The front has a smooth skin - Need to paint?
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The back has a woven plastic fabric laminated to it - similar to a tight weave burlap. Might make an interesting texture painted....
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(Taking close ups of white on white - sorry for the poor quality. You can get an idea, though...).

I'll be doing glue and paint tests in a couple of days. More then...
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Here are a couple of pictures of the Home Depot foam sheet. I put a piece of 92 bright copy paper on the foam for contrast. The foam is an off white - sort of creamy.

The front has a smooth skin - Need to paint?
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The back has a woven plastic fabric laminated to it - similar to a tight weave burlap. Might make an interesting texture painted....
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I'll be doing glue and paint tests in a couple of days. More then...
Hi All,

I finally am able to report on Home Depot's Healthier Choice Platinum Plus Eco Foam Padding.

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Good News and Bad.

As I said earlier, it is 3/8 inch thick, six feet wide and comes in a roll 45 feet long. This is enough to insulate a 16 foot trailer. It costs $250, freight free. It is a light cream color, skinned on one side and with a burlap fabric on the other.

I glued test samples to the trailer wall. The plain/skinned side adhered well. The fabric adhered to the wall but the foam then pulled from the fabric, leaving the burlap on the wall.

I painted other samples. I used Zinnser primer and a semi-gloss interior latex paint. After drying the plain/skinned side cracked at the slightest flex. I think this is not a factor with ensolite, no skin. The burlap took the paint and didn't crack.


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So, If someone wants to use it with the textured side visible it would probably work. I would not use it with the plain/skinned side out would peel off the walls and crack.

The company, Healthier Choice, was very helpful. Good people and, info and samples. They do make non-backed foams and may make foam without skin. This would make it acceptable and it is eco-friendly. I haven't contacted them for more info or dealers, yet. Will pass on anything I find out.

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I was just cruizin' Bolerama and spotted this post:


Here's the eBay link: eBay - Trimjobber

Maybe it will help someone...
Correct me if I am wrong, the ensolite from IRFOAM is not the ensolite for the scamps?
I am in the process of stripping the little scamper and I have been trying to save the material I have pulled back and up to re-apply, but it looks more that I should just replace all of it
my sister joking said I should just glue that material used inside kitchen cabinets made from contact, over that silver stuff from home depot. Has any one done that?
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