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Old 09-23-2007, 01:23 AM   #1
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i just found this site... wow... this is what i've been looking for... i haven't looked around much, but it seems like i'll find everything i need here...
i just purchased my '82 burro 13'r this summer... i got it on ebay for $205 from a guy in michigan... i think i paid more to the indiana & illinois tollways on the trip...
here's a pic of it at a rest stop when i pulled it home...

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my car maxed out at 70mph in 4th gear, & stopping was a little scary, but she pulled nice & steady...
i've been wanting compact FRV for a long time... i almost bought one 7 years ago when a guy i knew had one for sale for $800... before i could come up with the money, he sold it for $500... it's now an ice-fishing hut...
about me... i'm 35, & a student at tech school... i'm a compact-car racing/modifying enthusiast, specifically with toyota tercels... i'm a member & moderator on a tercel forum... i've owned 3, but i currently have 2 '92 red 2drs, but i will be junking one as soon as i pull the motor out... i'm building up the one i am keeping for rally & track racing, but keeping it street-legal... this consequently means doing all the things it will need to pull this trailer safely... upgrade brakes, stiffen the chassis, & increase the power...
the trailer is in rough shape... the previous-to-the-previous-owners had converted is (badly) into a food-vending trailer, changed the windows (again, badly) & generally put more holes in it than i can count... i'm estimating about 2-3 gallons of resin will be needed to repair holes & fix the floor... did i mention the floor...? it's kinda... softish... very flexible in the middle & near the door... the roof vent is gone, & it's been raining inside for a few years, at least... the frame is badly rusted, & slightly bent... i used to work a a trailer company, www.tritontrailers.com , & i'm pretty sure i can get a new aluminum frame made to fit... i know the guys in the welding & fabrication department...
other than that, i'm going to be looking for help on this forum... i understand the powah of the search button, but i'll probably be bothering y'all anyway with questions & pics of my progress...
looking forward to getting to know ya...
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Old 09-23-2007, 01:51 AM   #2
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i just found this site... wow... this is what i've been looking for... i haven't looked around much, but it seems like i'll find everything i need here...
i just purchased my '82 burro 13'r this summer... i got it on ebay for $205 from a guy in michigan... i think i paid more to the indiana & illinois tollways on the trip...
here's a pic of it at a rest stop when i pulled it home...
Steve---- welcome- -- gee whiz, you sure paid a lot for it... And now the fun begins. Larry
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Old 09-23-2007, 02:30 AM   #3
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actually, the price is fair... i found a mouse nest under where the fridge/icebox would've been, & it took 1/2 a day just to clean the inside... so much splatter on the walls, faulty wiring, etc... luckily, there doesn't seem to be and mold...i have more pics to post, but after browsing a bit, i realized the picture i posted is too huge... i'll have to figure out how to convert to thumbnails...
after seeing some of the custom interiors/exteriors some of you have, i'm inspired to go further than i expected in restoring this trailer...
i have a question, though... when i bought the trailer, the seller did not have a title for it... since i will be "buying" a new trailer frame & axle, can i use that title or will i need to apply for a special title...? i'm not even sure if wisconsin trailers have titles, or how they are registered... i'll have to check state laws regarding this... any wisconsinites can give me some insights...?
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Old 09-23-2007, 07:19 AM   #4
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i have more pics to post, but after browsing a bit, i realized the picture i posted is too huge... i'll have to figure out how to convert to thumbnails...
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Old 09-23-2007, 08:53 AM   #5
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Welcome to a great forum!

Wow, that's the longest tongue I've ever seen! Great price BTW, and good luck with your restore!
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Old 09-23-2007, 11:16 AM   #6
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Wow, that's the longest tongue I've ever seen!
Don't let Gene Simmons hear that!

Welcome Steven. As a former owner of a 13 foot Burro with a STOCK aluminum frame, I would advise against going that route. Burro didn't make the aluminum frame for but a few months, and I suspect I know why.

13s of any ilk seem to like to break at the "A" bend anyway, and I repaired mine TWICE in that spot. The weight savings seemed hardly worth the stranding. The second repair beefed up that point to being the strongest point on the trailer, but it took a few days and an FAA certified welder to do it. I am positive no more breaks will happen there now, but if considering doing aluminum, design some extra precautions in that area.
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Old 09-23-2007, 12:30 PM   #7
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Hmmm. Now I'm thinking paint-scheme . . .

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Old 09-23-2007, 01:03 PM   #8
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Welcome, Steven!

When I was driving my Tercel, and using it in autoslalom and navex rally competition, I met other people using them for ice racing and performance rallying. Essentially everybody else thought that they were crazy, and I could see their point... this is the lowest-performance vehicle Toyota (or just about anybody else) made at the time! Mine was a 1984 (second generation), and I realize they changed in later years. Oh well, they were reliable and everybody was having fun, which are the important parts.

A Tercel is also a pretty marginal tow vehicle, especially for something as large (in relative terms) as a Burro. Keep that in mind...

Now for the questions: fire away!
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Old 09-23-2007, 01:16 PM   #9
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Welcome Steven. As a former owner of a 13 foot Burro with a STOCK aluminum frame, I would advise against going that route. Burro didn't make the aluminum frame for but a few months, and I suspect I know why.

13s of any ilk seem to like to break at the "A" bend anyway, and I repaired mine TWICE in that spot. The weight savings seemed hardly worth the stranding. The second repair beefed up that point to being the strongest point on the trailer, but it took a few days and an FAA certified welder to do it. I am positive no more breaks will happen there now, but if considering doing aluminum, design some extra precautions in that area.
i'll make a note of it... my rusted out frame is bent at the "A" bend... it was "reinforced", but does not look reliable... the reason i thought of using an aluminum frame exactly is for the weight savings... but my concern with aluminum is the road fatigue & weak points where it is bent... so i might look into steel framing, instead... i'll be pulling it with a 2100lb tercel, & although it's not rated to pull a trailer, i know i can properly equip it to do so... the previous owner installed the trailer hitch, & used it regularly to pull a small utility trailer w/firewood... but i understand there will need to be some clever engineering done to both car & trailer to achieve proper balance/stability...
the long tongue on my trailer makes me suspect that it was not original... but it seems to help it pull steady... so i might incorporate it into the design... i was planning to add a small utility box in the front, to hold tools, parts, & the propane tank...
i'll post some more pics soon of the interior & exterior restoration problems i'm facing...
custom paint-scheme is definitely in the plans, but it'll be red/black to match the car...
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Old 09-23-2007, 02:17 PM   #10
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The reason i thought of using an aluminum frame exactly is for the weight savings... but my concern with aluminum is the road fatigue & weak points where it is bent...
The Oliver Legacy is a new trailer design that is using an aluminum frame.

My Fiber Stream uses a steel frame that is 1/2 the dimension of other manufacturers.

Both of these strategies are for overall weight savings. However, my Fiber Stream does NOT use the traditional Bent Rail approach to form the tongue triangle. My frame and tongue are separate box assemblies (frame = rectangle, tongue = triangle) that are fully gusseted where they join for greater strength. I'll have to add photos later...
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Old 09-23-2007, 04:28 PM   #11
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The Oliver Legacy is a new trailer design that is using an aluminum frame.

My Fiber Stream uses a steel frame that is 1/2 the dimension of other manufacturers.

Both of these strategies are for overall weight savings. However, my Fiber Stream does NOT use the traditional Bent Rail approach to form the tongue triangle. My frame and tongue are separate box assemblies (frame = rectangle, tongue = triangle) that are fully gusseted where they join for greater strength. I'll have to add photos later...
thanks... i know i could design an aluminum frame without bends... & reinforce it with strategic gusseting... so i guess i'm still undecided between steel & aluminum... steel has the advantage of being easier to do field repair if needed... but if either is built right, field repair shouldn't be needed... i'm a long ways from deciding on the frame, though... right now i'm trying to figure out how to get the shell off the frame & up on some pallets in the backyard so i can start the F/G repair & floor replacement... i'm unemployed & poor, but busy with school right now, so although i have time, i haven't the $$ to buy materials... so the project might not begin in earnest until next spring... all i can really do now is tear-down, cleaning and prep for repairs... & of course research for info/ideas here...
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IMHO, you are towing a bit too fast (trailer tires are typically rated for 65 max and some states limit trailers to 55); if something happens, it will happen harder and faster at higher speeds.

Your long tongue is a definite advantage because it increases the leverage the tow vehicle has on the trailer and will keep sway effects down. Plus it is a good place for bikes, etc.

You really want to ask some hypothetical questions of the vehicle registration folks and perhaps do a search on the VIN number -- Could be a pre-owned trailer with the owner still looking for it.

One disadvantage to aluminum, and perhaps a reason more trailer manfs don't use it, is that aluminum isn't as good as steel when it comes to metal fatigue, so the frame design may be critical.
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Old 09-23-2007, 09:13 PM   #13
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Are you sure that is a Burro? We had a Burro last year and the tongue was not that long. We always had to make sure that the Eurovan rear door did not hit the Burro when we opened it. We have a UHaul this year. It has a long tongue and we have no problem whatsoever with the back door of the Eurovan, because of the length of the tongue. I do not know if the 13' UHaul has a tongue that long but perhaps.

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The U-Haul tongue is straight (and removable), while Steven's trailer has an A-frame plus straight section, which I agree is likely a non-factory extension. I'm not a U-Haul or Burro expert by any means, but just based on the tongue I'm guessing Burro.
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