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Old 08-05-2013, 10:00 AM   #1
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Greetings again: I posted a few months ago about the potential winter time use of these trailers. Bigfoot may be the consensus winner - if any forum can have a consensus. Well I have a new neighbor and he has a Oliver, which I toured, neat little trailer and from what I saw incredibly high quality. Now for the question what insulation is used (if any) between the walls? I searched the forum and some said lizard skin, which seems to be more of a sound barrier, and I don't believe the claims of painted on insulation. Others speculated on a 3M composite material, which is interesting, as I am a 35 year employee of 3M and did not realize we made a thermally insulating composite. Does anyone know for sure? Does anyone know the effective R value?

Thanks, and yes I did write to Oliver, but I suspect they are to busy trying to make trailers - and responding to e-mails hasn't reached the top of their I'm box.

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Old 08-05-2013, 10:27 AM   #2
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Are Olivers still being made? I thought they were defunct... Anyway, here is what I could find about their insulation.

Oliver say that "The Frame is an all aluminum box tubular design. The reason for an all aluminum construction is to lighten the weight of the unit as well as provide a frame that will never rust. The overall construction of the Oliver Legacy is a Double Wall Fiberglass Core that contains Thinsulate™ Acoustic Insulation. Basically, you have a completely custom molded fiberglass exterior shell, as well as a completely custom molded fiberglass interior shell. Between the two layers of fiberglass there is an insulation barrier. The custom molded exterior has been designed to direct and keep water from ever entering the shell. Every opening or attachment to the exterior has been encased in a fabricated enclosure and sealed to protect from all of the elements."
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:29 PM   #3
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Robert will know if the Lizard is used
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http://www.lizardskin.com/
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Old 08-05-2013, 01:33 PM   #4
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Do not over look Escape Trailers, another Canadian fg trailer manufacturer that can make you a customized trailer with winter upgrades.
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Old 08-05-2013, 04:15 PM   #5
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Jim: I called escape as they have a nice looking trailer. There cold weather package, is dual pane windows, foam on the underside of the coach, and addition relex(sp) in the walls. When I looked at how they installed the relex material, they did not have an air gap on either side, this is necessary for reflex to be any kind of insulation, as has been reported on this forum in the past. None moving air is a good insulator, that is why foams and fiberglass work as well as they do.

So if escape used a foam in the walls and ceiling, would be all over them.

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Are Olivers still being made? I thought they were defunct...
They're back in the trailer manufacturing business:
Oliver Travel Trailers production to resume
Oliver is Back!?
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... addition relex(sp) in the walls...
Aluminized bubble-wrap insulation, most commonly known by the brand name Reflectix®

When they use it, Escape puts it on the interior side of the single fiberglass shell wall, and generally in places where it is in cabinets, rather than an exposed wall surface.
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Reflectix

Not going to debate (much) the veracity of reflectix or other bubble wrap materials, I saw a picture of the Escape production line with reflectix draped down from the top of the wall. It will not be effective when used in that manner no matter where it is used.

Chuck -who actually majored in heat transfer a very, very long tme ago.
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Jim, hope you chime in here, now I'm concerned about this type of insulation if Escape's method doesn't work then why pay extra for the insulation?

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... now I'm concerned about this type of insulation if Escape's method doesn't work then why pay extra for the insulation?
The Reflectix (or whatever brand it is) in an Escape with the extra insulation package will work as well as it does in a Scamp. Whether or not this type of insulation works very well anywhere is the subject of endless debate.

In any case, I don't think Oliver uses this type of insulation.
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Old 08-05-2013, 05:36 PM   #11
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let us know if you get an answer from Oliver on the insulation. How long have you been waiting for a reply? We just had a thread how two other trailer places had problems answering email.
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Jim, hope you chime in here, now I'm concerned about this type of insulation if Escape's method doesn't work then why pay extra for the insulation?

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It works, it works real nice. There are 2 interior finishes, the 1" thick vinyl elephant hide wall and ceiling finish that is installed over the reflectix in all parts of the trailer in all areas from the bed and dinette up, including closets and overhead cabinets. The extra insulation package includes reflectix installed on all bare fiberglass below and underneath the bed and dinette exterior walls, over the wheel wells. Then you have the 3-4" spray foam underneath the floor which covers the entire floor, front to back. finally the dual pane Hehr windows, including the door. All this adds up to a well insulated unit that is warm in the winter and cool in the summer. I have been out in -0- degree weather in the 19' with the extra package and the tanks did not freeze and neither did I.
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I think Oliver uses the reflectix between the inner and outside shells, based upon my observation of inside closet and underneath seat areas inspection of the 3 Olivers I saw in Tennessee this Spring..
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There are 2 interior finishes, the !' vinyl elephant hide wall and ceiling finish that is installed over the reflectix in all parts of the trailer in all areas from the bed and dinette up, including closets and overhead cabinets. The extra insulation package includes reflectix installed on all bare fiberglass below and underneath the bed and dinette exterior walls, over the wheel wells.
So in a standard Escape without the extra insulation package, do you know what is the insulation used under the bed, under the dinette, over the wheel wells, etc? It sort of sounds like there is no insulation there unless you get the $1000 extra insulation package - but I may be misunderstanding and haven't seen this for myself.
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