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01-16-2007, 11:29 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 127
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Hi All,
Hubby and I are going to be painting our Scamp with Interlux paint soon, and I wondered if we'll need to sand first.
Our trailer sat out in the desert sun for a long time, so I'm thinking the gel coat is disintegrated for the most part. We've tried washing and waxing the trailer (I only waxed a small portion to test), but waxing (car wax- the kind you spread on, let dry, and rub off) did not eliminate the dull/chalky consistency of the exterior paint. Even when the trailer is freshly washed, once it is dry, it is like chalky eggshell or something...absolutely no shine to it at all.
So do you think we need to sand the trailer before we paint, or will a good detergent-and-scrub-brush washing be good enough?
Thanks!
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01-16-2007, 11:46 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 13 ft Scamp 1983 and 1972 Compact Jr (project)
Posts: 554
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Hmmmm---mine was the same way when I bought it (a mistreated 86 model) I was thinking about painting, then saw a gel-coat treatment at the local Camping World. Tried that. Surprisingly, it looked like new and I was accused by my brother of painting it. Now it is the first thing I do in the Spring readying it for the summer road trips. Takes about 2 hours after a wash job. Easy to do, polishes off easy. Larry
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01-17-2007, 01:28 AM
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Junior Member
Trailer: 1974 13 ft Boler (GREEN and WHITE)
Posts: 6
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hi larry.
i am interested to know the name of the gel coat product that you used to redo the finish on your trailler, because my 74 boler is in the same shape. the outside is chalky even after washing.
thanks Iaian.
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01-17-2007, 07:13 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,697
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Tirah, making the outside shine is a major topic of discussion...the other is axles
FiberglassRV has a power search engine, if you search for wax, paint...etc. you'll end up with more reading than you probably want.
Here's one link...The discussion is about Vertglas and a touch on Penetrol. Maggie O and Brenda Novakovski have both used Vertglas and were impressed with the results on their trailers.
Gelcoat Rejuvinator Applications...any good?, This stuff sounds too good to be true.
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Donna D.
Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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01-17-2007, 07:53 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1999 Scamp 16 ft
Posts: 130
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Tirah, making the outside shine is a major topic of discussion...the other is axles
FiberglassRV has a power search engine, if you search for wax, paint...etc. you'll end up with more reading than you probably want.
Here's one link...The discussion is about Vertglas and a touch on Penetrol. Maggie O and Brenda Novakovski have both used Vertglas and were impressed with the results on their trailers.
Gelcoat Rejuvinator Applications...any good?, This stuff sounds too good to be true.
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I used Penetrol on the top and front of our 99 Scamp. It worked very nicely BUT it is a conditioner, not a coating. I applied the Penetrol according to the directions (don't let the stuff dry on the surface or you will have a real job wiping it off!). The instructions say 5 min. and wipe it off. Allow it to dry for 24 hours and follow with a good quality wax. I got a nice shine. Penetrol is fairly cheap (about 6$ ac quart) and available at Home Depot etc.
Try a test area and see if it will work.
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01-17-2007, 09:54 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Former Burro owner and fan!
Posts: 9,015
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If you DO decide to paint, a good scuff sand will do wonders.
When I (WE.. a large group helped) painted mine, we sanded with fine grit to get the surface prepped.
I used a PPG paint, and it has stuck and looked good for a couple years now. It has taken rocks in front and chipped from them, but the rest seems to hold up to the infrequent washings I do, and even did NOT scratch when I had a slight run in with my satelite dish recently.
It's hard work, but it beats redoing.
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01-17-2007, 11:16 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 127
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If you DO decide to paint, a good scuff sand will do wonders.
When I (WE.. a large group helped) painted mine, we sanded with fine grit to get the surface prepped.
I used a PPG paint, and it has stuck and looked good for a couple years now. It has taken rocks in front and chipped from them, but the rest seems to hold up to the infrequent washings I do, and even did NOT scratch when I had a slight run in with my satelite dish recently.
It's hard work, but it beats redoing.
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When you sanded your trailer, did it have that chalky consistency afterwards? I am not sure if I really need to sand or not, being that the surface already is "matte" rather than glossy.
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01-17-2007, 11:33 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 127
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Tirah, making the outside shine is a major topic of discussion...the other is axles
FiberglassRV has a power search engine, if you search for wax, paint...etc. you'll end up with more reading than you probably want.
Here's one link...The discussion is about Vertglas and a touch on Penetrol. Maggie O and Brenda Novakovski have both used Vertglas and were impressed with the results on their trailers.
Gelcoat Rejuvinator Applications...any good?, This stuff sounds too good to be true.
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Well, we're actually going to repaint our trailer, so we aren't looking to shine up the gel coat (yet!). We both really want it glossy black, and we already have our expensive paint. I know, we're crazy? But our trailer is stored out of the sun, and we have air conditioning, so interior heat isn't a problem.
Before we go through all the effort and elbow-grease, I'm wondering if sanding is really necessary. Keeping my fingers crossed that it's not! I couldn't find anything about whether I should sand if the texture is already "matte" rather than glossy. I thought I saw something a while back about chalkiness/porosity being a symptom of the gel coat wearing off, but now I can't find that string anywhere.
Now the axle topic... that's the other thing I've been following! I want to have our axle replaced at some point in the future, so I can feel more comfortable driving it cross-country!
You all are so knowledgeable (and fun)! My family thinks I'm crazy, talking about my trailer all the time.
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01-17-2007, 11:50 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1979 13 ft Boler and 1987 Bigfoot 5th Wheel
Posts: 2,025
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I'd give it a wash with Dawn dish soap and light sanding. Gina used sanding blocks from Harbor Frieght, they worked very nicely.
You might want to rethink painting the whole thing black. Not only will it make it much hotter inside but lower the resale value. Watching sales on trailers for years darker trailers are much harder to sell and go for much less. Plus black is a very hard color to maintain, any little bit of dust or mud and it looks really dirty.
If I wanted black I'd only paint the bottom black and do the top white with some cool graphics in black and a contrasting or complimentary color.
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01-17-2007, 11:57 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 127
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I'd give it a wash with Dawn dish soap and light sanding. Gina used sanding blocks from Harbor Frieght, they worked very nicely.
You might want to rethink painting the whole thing black. Not only will it make it much hotter inside but lower the resale value. Watching sales on trailers for years darker trailers are much harder to sell and go for much less. Plus black is a very hard color to maintain, any little bit of dust or mud and it looks really dirty.
If I wanted black I'd only paint the bottom black and do the top white with some cool graphics in black and a contrasting or complimentary color.
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We thought about that aspect of an all black trailer (resale value), and we decided we'd do it all black and then redo the upper portion when we resell (which probably won't be for another 20 years, when we hopefully retire and buy a new tug vehicle and larger trailer). We have a black car, so I know how difficult it is to keep it looking clean, but we think it looks great when it is clean.
Thanks for the sanding/prep tips! I think I'll go the sanding route, just to make sure the paint adheres well.
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01-17-2007, 12:30 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,697
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Thanks for the sanding/prep tips! I think I'll go the sanding route, just to make sure the paint adheres well.
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Absolutely sand. The finish quality and longevity of the paint is dependent upon the PREP work done. Make absolutely certain every bit of wax and grease is gone...or you'll end up with "fish eye" which wouldn't be as noticeable on white..but black
My body and paint guy washes everything down with Tide laundry detergent AFTER he's sanded, sanded, sanded. It gets rid of the last bit of wax and hand oils.
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Donna D.
Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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01-17-2007, 02:03 PM
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#12
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 127
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Absolutely sand. The finish quality and longevity of the paint is dependent upon the PREP work done. Make absolutely certain every bit of wax and grease is gone...or you'll end up with "fish eye" which wouldn't be as noticeable on white..but black
My body and paint guy washes everything down with Tide laundry detergent AFTER he's sanded, sanded, sanded. It gets rid of the last bit of wax and hand oils.
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Thanks Donna!
In case anyone else is ever looking for this info, here's an informative site on prep for painting a fiberglass boat: http://capndsboatshed.com/boatpaint-prep.htm
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01-17-2007, 06:55 PM
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Member
Trailer: 1994 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel / 2001 4wd 6cyl Silverado
Posts: 34
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Hi If you must paint, I would wash the trailer first with non fragrance soap in the liquid dishwasher type, normally sold in the dollar stores, li"l general etc, I do not sand first because you are grinding the old siliconed waxes into the finish,, Start with a wet and dry 220 grit sandpaper, and step down to a 320 or 400 grit for your final sanding,always keeping the sandpaper and trailer wet, once dry, if you see any shiny parts.. sandum, if you do not sand you will regret it after a year or so when the paint starts coming off in sheets, I do paint and body as a hobby and have painted 30 to 40 vehicules in my life not a whole lot but I have learned there are no shortcuts Paul Smith Orlando fl
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01-17-2007, 07:52 PM
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#14
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 127
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Hi If you must paint, I would wash the trailer first with non fragrance soap in the liquid dishwasher type, normally sold in the dollar stores, li"l general etc, I do not sand first because you are grinding the old siliconed waxes into the finish,, Start with a wet and dry 220 grit sandpaper, and step down to a 320 or 400 grit for your final sanding,always keeping the sandpaper and trailer wet, once dry, if you see any shiny parts.. sandum, if you do not sand you will regret it after a year or so when the paint starts coming off in sheets, I do paint and body as a hobby and have painted 30 to 40 vehicules in my life not a whole lot but I have learned there are no shortcuts Paul Smith Orlando fl
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Thanks Paul! I will take your advice and sand before I paint. That Interlux paint isn't cheap and I'd like to not have to repaint for another 15 years!
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01-17-2007, 08:41 PM
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Moderator
Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
Posts: 8,222
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My family thinks I'm crazy, talking about my trailer all the time.
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[b]My family knows I'm crazy...
I say, if black is what you like, then Black is what you should go for!
It would look cool with a gold belly band...
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01-17-2007, 10:23 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 127
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I like your gold bellyband idea. I was thinking about the bellyband remaining silver and maybe some type of pinstriping near the bellyband or something, too.
We were going to paint it black below bellyband and white above, have a mannequin wearing a jail uniform and handcuffs- leaning up against the window, looking out at traffic, and a police-looking emblem that says something like, "Campers," or something...but we decided that might attract a little too much attention for our taste (though we'd get a good laugh out of it every time we saw it). <--- as though a police car was trailing us closely
It sure is fun to think about paint and interior schemes!
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01-18-2007, 07:36 AM
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Junior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
Posts: 5
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Tirah,
The absolute best resource for Interlux paint is interlux themselves, they have the definitive painting guide in pdf format on their site. You should read the whole thing.
http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa/default.asp
Follow their directions to the letter for the individual paint and you will be happy with the results.
Painting is 85% prep.
http://www.yachtpaint.com/USA/boat_paintin...ide/default.asp
Practice on some prepped plywood first to get your technique down, you will be surprised how fast the actual painting goes.
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01-18-2007, 06:41 PM
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Member
Trailer: Boler 13 ft 1972
Posts: 79
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Something noone mentioned is using a quality primer before painting. If you're painting black, you might want to use a dark primer first. The result will be more consistent. Modern primers, as from an auto paint shop, have chemicals in them that make the paint stick.
I painted my Boler a couple of years ago (the blue boler), and it has held up well. The only thing that I would do different is finish the front so that rocks wouldn't chip the paint. The quality of the paint nor the expertise putting it on will not prevent rock chips. You don't see them on the gel coat finish because the color is deeper.
We recently got a new tow vehicle, and are in the process of repainting the boler to match the vehicle. We're getting a rhino-coat finish for the front, and coloring it to sorta match the paint. More on the results...
Good luck on your paint job. Just hin -- the more prep, the better the result.
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01-18-2007, 08:01 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 127
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Something noone mentioned is using a quality primer before painting. If you're painting black, you might want to use a dark primer first. The result will be more consistent. Modern primers, as from an auto paint shop, have chemicals in them that make the paint stick.
I painted my Boler a couple of years ago (the blue boler), and it has held up well. The only thing that I would do different is finish the front so that rocks wouldn't chip the paint. The quality of the paint nor the expertise putting it on will not prevent rock chips. You don't see them on the gel coat finish because the color is deeper.
We recently got a new tow vehicle, and are in the process of repainting the boler to match the vehicle. We're getting a rhino-coat finish for the front, and coloring it to sorta match the paint. More on the results...
Good luck on your paint job. Just hin -- the more prep, the better the result.
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Your Boler paint job looks terrific. I hope ours turns out that nice.
At first, I wasn't going to primer, but after reading your post, I'm definitely going to go get some primer.
I'm interested to see your Rhino-coat paint job when you're done. That's a good idea. Too bad they don't make "trailer bras" or something like that. I think we'll at least keep an extra supply of paint for touch-ups if we don't end up copying your Rhino-coat idea.
I read on the forum that mud flaps help prevent the rock chips, so maybe I'll get some of those. I'm probably going to look silly driving around a minivan with mudflaps, but anything for my little trailer.
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01-18-2007, 09:30 PM
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Moderator
Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
Posts: 8,222
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Too bad they don't make "trailer bras" or something like that.
...anything for my little trailer.
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Be careful what you ask for...
They're made for Motorcycle Trailers and Side-Cars.
Link Here
Looks simple enough to make one bigger for your egg...
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